ToiletDuck

I wasn't sure if XJT was still liable or not. Hence why I said "if" they're still making payments on them. If not then why would XJT have the right to refuse someone else flying aircraft they have no control over? CAL owns them and is a separate company.

ToiletDuck

That and they had the same management cost as that of an airline with a larger frame count.

dojetdriver

Probably something that was negotiated into the CPA, ya think?

Gee, thanks for that piece of news, in my time at XJT I never knew CAL was a separate company, shocking

CAL doesn't own them, they lease the ERJ's, THEN sublease the airframes that are still in use at XJT.

ToiletDuck

Considering the amount of "negotiation" power XJT has with CAL I'll give that one a big fat no. I don't think they have any say so in what CAL does with their aircraft. Obviously CHQ is acquiring 12 of them. If they could simply say no why not?

I figured as much. Glad I could help.

dojetdriver

It was in the previous CPA, probably didn't change with the new CPA. CAL probably saw no advantage changing it as it really wouldn't matter anyway, would it?

Maybe, see above. With those old crappy airframes they parked, I seriously doubt XJT management would care. But you guys have fun with them. You and all those pilots you hope to see a TWA style integration with. Hope you're comfy in that right seat, gonna be there long time you know.

Hey, thanks a lot, appreciate it. I'm no super pilot, but I can fly a stable approach. If you need any pointers on how to fly one, let me know. I can't speak for the metro though, so if you have to go back to that airplane, don't ask me.

If you ever bonk another PC because you DON'T know how to operate the FMS, THEN blame it on the lack of training although NOBODY else bonked the PC for that, again, let me know. Same as above though, if you have to go back to the metro, can't help you. Might want to read the book on the equipment you're flying this time. Probably save you some grief. If you need any tips on how to keep track of your passport, again, let me know.

I'll be glad to help you any way I can

ToiletDuck

Apparently yes. Why leave something on the table if CAL had absolutely nothing to gain from it.

Yea 4.5k hours don't know how to shoot an approach

I've never bonked a PC still have a clean bill of health from the private pilot days. Actually have a copy of my record here on my desk but thanks for the concern. Keep track on my passport? You mean when I was robbed? Dude you're grasping at straws. How many years have you been at the regionals? I know you have A LOT of experience with them so trust me if I have any questions I'll be sure to go to you first. It's ironic you preach that I'll be the one stuck here. Just remember that "Everything's fine here" lol. Should put that in your sig along with "We're doing great!".

dojetdriver

Well, they had NOTHING to lose either.

I don't think you knew how to interpret a clearance and program the equipment you were operating. Was that related to your 4.5k hours? Funny, I remember you coming on here telling everybody how you were high and fast in that metro (or whatever), then getting flamed like cray for it. It was funny.

But I'm curious, what was this guy talking about?

Funny, I ALSO remember you telling us that you goofed something up on the FMS and had to come back the next day, did you not?

I know I asked you this before, but did you ever look in your backpack that you're so proud of? I don't think you ever answered that.

Like thats some secret?

I've never been under ANY illusions about the state of where I work. Can you find somewhere that I was? What is it? Oh yeah, "dude, you're grasping for straws".

Nevets

I was curious as to my recollection on this so I looked it up. Apparently the bargaining power came from the low block hour rate XJT offered to CAL. Here is the language from the CPA:

Section 2.07 Contractor’s Right of First Opportunity. If, at any time beginning on the Effective Date and ending on the last day of the Base Term, Continental proposes to engage any third party to operate on its behalf any Original Aircraft, then Continental shall promptly provide at least 180 days’ advance notice in writing of such intent to Contractor identifying the specific Original Aircraft and setting forth the proposed dates on which the operation of such aircraft for Continental shall begin. Contractor, at its option, may designate any such Original Aircraft as a Covered Aircraft under this Agreement by providing written notice to Continental within 30 days of its receipt of Continental’s written notice, specifying the Original Aircraft to become Covered Aircraft on the corresponding dates proposed by Continental; provided that if such Original Aircraft has not been operated on behalf of Continental at any time during the twelve months immediately preceding the beginning of such proposed engagement, and Continental has received any bona fide offer to operate such aircraft from a third party on economic terms more beneficial to Continental than the terms hereof, then (i) Continental’s notice to Contractor shall include the terms of such bona fide offer, (ii) Contractor’s option to operate such aircraft as a Covered Aircraft hereunder shall constitute an option to operate such aircraft on the economic terms contained in such bona fide offer, and (iii) in connection with any such election by Contractor to operate such aircraft, Contractor shall agree to amend the terms hereof as applied to such aircraft to match such economic terms. In the event such Original Aircraft becomes a Covered Aircraft under this Agreement, the parties shall execute a Covered Aircraft Sublease relating to such Covered Aircraft effective as of the date on which the operation of such aircraft for Continental shall begin.

CAL probably felt that if someone was going to operate those aircraft for CAL, they'd prefer XJT to do it if the economic terms were going to be just as good. It does seem as though XJT does have a little say in what CAL does with those aircraft. Although, if what you say is true, the reason why they couldn't simply say no is probably because this only applies to aircraft flown for CAL and not anyone else, as the language seems to say.

Apperantly no. XJT seems to have had enough bargaining power to not leave that language on the table.