Good company to be a part of, right now, even though the pay stinks. But the way I look at it, it can only go up from here... Of course, one will have to hope that the RAH deal doesn't involve pink slips for us, then I guess the pay would go to 0...

Great group of pilots, great mountain flying, and I get to hear F-16 stories from Waldo. Rumor is that they put all those mirrors in the cockpit just for him.

Chaff, flares... continue.

Hopefully, this company is a success story and a great place to be for years to come. Time will tell.

Why not go with ALPA?

So nice to hear a positive post for once. I hear Lynx is good as well, mostly from my Frontier CA hangar mate. He keeps pushing for me to talk to them. When the time is right I guess.

Why should they. ALPA does not offer anything other than rules that ties the MEC hands. Secondly, anything that ALPA offers to an ALPA represented pilot group has a cost to it, they charge the MEC. As a non ALPA union you can still get the same services as an ALPA union except you wont have ALPA up you ass, all you have to do is pay for it, remember they charge whether you are ALPA or not.

At eagle we had requested a financial breakdown on AMR, APLA kept telling us it was not ready yet. Our MEC had visited APA president to discuss some issues on a particular day and guess what was on the APA presidents desk, the financial report that we requested which ALPA had said was not complete or ready yet.

Go independent.

ALPA offers more than any independent can. The cost of ALPA is not hidden. The dues are 1.95% once you are off probation. In fact, smaller MEC are subsidized by larger MEC (airlines with ~3000+ members). Also, many of the indepents pay for ALPA services...they also subsidize the cost of those services for ALPA members at the independents' pilots expence.

Anyways, it may be that ALPA Economic & Financial Analysis Department is trying to do a thorough job rather than farm it out to some third party financial analysis like some of the independents do at their members expense.

Go ALPA!

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You're funny!

Oh wait, you're serious aren't you?
I'm sorry then. Actually, I was told THEY were the ones that would not talk to us.

I agree on your point about independent unions though. We just are not large enough for one, but there are other unions besides ALPA. As for Teamsters though, I have doubts if they could fairly represent us against Republic. So I guess that leaves UTU.

"I agree on your point about independent unions though. We just are not large enough for one, but there are other unions besides ALPA. As for Teamsters though, I have doubts if they could fairly represent us against Republic. So I guess that leaves UTU."

Looks that way.

I've been told ALPA would not even return phone calls. UTU and the Teamsters did.

I'm supprised Teamsters even called you back. At Lakes, under the Teamsters regime, We got no attention on any matter; grivences would go responded to for years and the company had their way with the contract and the Pilot group.

When looking for another agent, we had three choices: stay with Teamsters, go with ALPA, or the UTU. UTU won the vote overwelmingly! Teamsters were not a good option because we were not getting ANY representation and ALPA... well, just look at Mesa, they are in worse shape than we are.

Mainline union representing regional carriers=conflict of interest.

UTU yes.

Yes UTU! Vote UTU Yes.