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07-03-2009 | 07:07 AM
#11
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From what I'm hearing the situation is dynamic. The Mesa ruling (they won their lawsuit against Delta) kind of threw a monkey wrench into the mix. I keep hearing that Delta still plans to dump Mesa, but now they need to buy out their contract. This cash infusion will keep them going through the fall. This means they probably won't go bankrupt this fall, and may not lose their UAL flying, as many suspected. I also keep hearing that there is another 2 for 1 deal coming our way, which I suspect is for the -900s Mesa is operating for Delta.
Nevertheless, I'm fairly sure that the remaining 60 unprotected pilots will be furloughed. There may also be some captain downgrades, if we don't pick up more flying. ExpressJet is finishing their 3 month UAL contract in Sep. and they may or may not get the flying after that. I've heard we're getting it, but everything in this industry is subject to change at a whim.
Someone mentioned Delta deliberately torpedoing ASA to make us a more attractive buyout, and the possibility of a merger/staple. From what I've heard coming out of ALPA and DALPA that's actually not as far fetched as it seems.
I want to point out that a lot of the doom & gloom coming out of SH is the company posturing for PBS negotiations. They want to paint a picture of the company being desperate and that if we don't give them PBS on their terms, bad things will happen. This is why I think they'll furlough the last 60, as a show, or in union jargon "taking them hostage". Then we'll agree to PBS and suddenly all of this flying (that I mentioned above) will come our way. Conversely, if we don't accept PBS, and some of the flying doesn't come our way (for reasons I mentioned above) they will say it's because we didn't go with PBS. I know this, because it's the same tired play book ASA has used for the last decade.
I guess the bottom line, is just hold on and watch. Big things are going to happen this fall, whether they're good or not. The pieces are starting to fall into place, and we'll have a good picture soon. Personally, I think the doom & gloom are B.S. and it will work out in our favor.
Nevertheless, I'm fairly sure that the remaining 60 unprotected pilots will be furloughed. There may also be some captain downgrades, if we don't pick up more flying. ExpressJet is finishing their 3 month UAL contract in Sep. and they may or may not get the flying after that. I've heard we're getting it, but everything in this industry is subject to change at a whim.
Someone mentioned Delta deliberately torpedoing ASA to make us a more attractive buyout, and the possibility of a merger/staple. From what I've heard coming out of ALPA and DALPA that's actually not as far fetched as it seems.
I want to point out that a lot of the doom & gloom coming out of SH is the company posturing for PBS negotiations. They want to paint a picture of the company being desperate and that if we don't give them PBS on their terms, bad things will happen. This is why I think they'll furlough the last 60, as a show, or in union jargon "taking them hostage". Then we'll agree to PBS and suddenly all of this flying (that I mentioned above) will come our way. Conversely, if we don't accept PBS, and some of the flying doesn't come our way (for reasons I mentioned above) they will say it's because we didn't go with PBS. I know this, because it's the same tired play book ASA has used for the last decade.
I guess the bottom line, is just hold on and watch. Big things are going to happen this fall, whether they're good or not. The pieces are starting to fall into place, and we'll have a good picture soon. Personally, I think the doom & gloom are B.S. and it will work out in our favor.
Court upholds Mesa injunction, Delta will ask for trial
July 2, 2009
A federal appeals court Wednesday upheld a preliminary injunction stopping Delta from terminating a regional flying contract with Freedom Airlines, a subsidiary of Mesa Air Group Inc., according to The Associated Press.
“Today’s ruling is only a preliminary step in this process and we look forward to the opportunity to fully make our case in district court,” Delta said in a statement following the ruling. “We believe that Delta is entitled to terminate its contract with Freedom Airlines for performance, and we will continue to assert this belief on behalf of our customers. Delta customers rely on Delta Connection carriers for outstanding service and we will continue to insist on a high level of performance from our partners.”
Delta notified Freedom last year of its decision to terminate its Delta Connection based on operational performance reasons. Freedom’s parent company, Phoenix-based Mesa, said that terminating the contract would cripple its airline.
A federal district court in Atlanta granted Mesa a preliminary injunction to block the termination, and the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, also in Atlanta, affirmed that decision Wednesday.
07-03-2009 | 07:37 AM
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07-03-2009 | 07:43 AM
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Yeah, 2 were former Freedom and they were being operated by Pinnacle at the time. The other 8 came from the factory and they were originally destined for Mesaba.
07-03-2009 | 07:52 AM
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From: CRJ
07-03-2009 | 08:14 AM
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From: CL65 First Officer
Furloughing 200 is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Although nothinbg in this industry surprises, me.I think that we are gonna see a reduction in flying yes, but every year Sept. and Oct. are always the "slow" months. If we get more flying great, i d love to have the 80 pilots on furlough back, if we dont get more flying , well then we will have to see where the chips fall ,but I cant see 200 more hitting the street. I have a friend in the training, dept and he said that there wont be any more furloughs, and hes been spot on w hois predictions in the past year. 900 flying, furloughs, etc.....Like everyone else here. I just hope any news we get will be good.
07-03-2009 | 01:30 PM
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From: CRJ-700/CRJ-900 Gear Monkey
In the crew room all I hear is furlough this, furlough that... if you have solid proof, and by that I don't mean I know a guy whose dog is sleeping with the director of flight ops babysitter's transgender ardvark, then let me know. I am on the lower end of the totem pole, but I don't walk around all day telling everyone im going to get furloughed and then go on to say how the company is trying to exploit anything in the contract to make a furlough, into the protected pilots under the collective bargaining agreement, happen. Im not one to speak on behalf of management, because thats not what I stand for. But for those of you who have worked here since the new contract know its not a bad place at all to be these days. Compare your QOL to your counterparts at other airlines..
Best of luck to everyone...
Best of luck to everyone...
07-03-2009 | 01:41 PM
#17
I have shiny jet syndrome
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
I believe the maximum number of 76 seat aircraft that can be flown has been reached; so as far as I know, no DCI carrier will be getting any more 76 seat aircraft, unless Delta pilots give up scope, which they probably are not going to do.
If Big D decides to kill us here at Comair, then maybe you will get our -900s. I believe we have 14.
If Big D decides to kill us here at Comair, then maybe you will get our -900s. I believe we have 14.
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