From the Ramp: A Small Favor
07-06-2009 | 11:13 AM
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I agree. I'm just trying to outline what I witnessed. I, after 8 months of working this ramp, along with other personnel, had not previously witnessed such an intense use of thrust on our ramp. The disagreements between the captain and the station personnel raise suspicions.
A quick 'ramp safety' brief on where wingwalkers, etc and any 'non standard' issues may help resolve future safety concerns. Can't imagine Capts not minding being aware or reviewing safety between the operators before the push. Takes 30 seconds. "We have 2 wing walkers for you, they will stay wth you till..., will exit on the left side of the nose, we have alot of equipment behind you after you turn 45 degree to the right. Have a safe flight"
Glad no one was hurt.
07-06-2009 | 11:15 AM
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From: Piper Warrior, Left Seat
Understand your suspicions. Agree with absolute desire for professionalism and safety requirements. Problem with 'routine' is also complacency, etc.
A quick 'ramp safety' brief on where wingwalkers, etc and any 'non standard' issues may help resolve future safety concerns. Can't imagine Capts not minding being aware or reviewing safety between the operators before the push. Takes 30 seconds. "We have 2 wing walkers for you, they will stay wth you till..., will exit on the left side of the nose, we have alot of equipment behind you after you turn 45 degree to the right. Have a safe flight"
Glad no one was hurt.
A quick 'ramp safety' brief on where wingwalkers, etc and any 'non standard' issues may help resolve future safety concerns. Can't imagine Capts not minding being aware or reviewing safety between the operators before the push. Takes 30 seconds. "We have 2 wing walkers for you, they will stay wth you till..., will exit on the left side of the nose, we have alot of equipment behind you after you turn 45 degree to the right. Have a safe flight"
Glad no one was hurt.
07-06-2009 | 11:25 AM
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It definitely happens out on the ramp occasionally. I think some of them are intentional and some are not...you can usually tell by the demeanor of the pilots before they get on the plane.
One time I was pushing back an RJ and a maintenance crew on board an MD90 across the way thought it would be a good idea to do a run up at the gate. I ended up getting off the tug and hiding behind it until it was over. Needless to say maintenance got in trouble for that one.
Best advice, keep you head up and aware, and report it to ops. if you think it was intentional. The pilot(s) might think its a good idea until a piece of FOD impales a person.
One time I was pushing back an RJ and a maintenance crew on board an MD90 across the way thought it would be a good idea to do a run up at the gate. I ended up getting off the tug and hiding behind it until it was over. Needless to say maintenance got in trouble for that one.
Best advice, keep you head up and aware, and report it to ops. if you think it was intentional. The pilot(s) might think its a good idea until a piece of FOD impales a person.
07-06-2009 | 12:34 PM
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Evening all. I would just like to say that I, as a ramper, appreciate the hard work and crap you guys go through, and the friendliness and professionalism that you guys deliver to us on a regular basis.
There are some bad apples out there, and to them, I would just like to ask that you please respect the safety of your rampers. It is unacceptable, dangerous, childish and negligent to turn out from a parking space, point your tail towards your rampers and deliver an unusually high amount of thrust (causing the gate agents upstairs to come to the window wondering what was going on), simply because you were wrong about the max which was in plain English on the release that you held in your hands. You blew away our maintenance steps, our bag scanner, almost toppled our carry-on cart, almost tore off half of our raggedy and vacant jetbridge, and worst of all, very nearly picked up one of our rampers and threw him across the ramp.
I understand why you guys can get angry and frustrated, I don't blame you. But please do not let your frustrations cause you to neglect safety. Can't we all just get along?
I'm sorry for the rant...just needed to get it out.
There are some bad apples out there, and to them, I would just like to ask that you please respect the safety of your rampers. It is unacceptable, dangerous, childish and negligent to turn out from a parking space, point your tail towards your rampers and deliver an unusually high amount of thrust (causing the gate agents upstairs to come to the window wondering what was going on), simply because you were wrong about the max which was in plain English on the release that you held in your hands. You blew away our maintenance steps, our bag scanner, almost toppled our carry-on cart, almost tore off half of our raggedy and vacant jetbridge, and worst of all, very nearly picked up one of our rampers and threw him across the ramp.
I understand why you guys can get angry and frustrated, I don't blame you. But please do not let your frustrations cause you to neglect safety. Can't we all just get along?
I'm sorry for the rant...just needed to get it out.
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