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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 640481)

In all honesty though I doubt it did much actual damage to the plane, more embarrasing then anything, thank God no one was near it though when it went.

In addition to sheet metal, gear doors, and antenna the props and hubs are probably toast, and they will probably need to tear down and inspect the gearbox...my guess is that it will be scrapped.

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 640314)

Landing gear was repossessed. Guess these are tough times even for the prop jobs.

Damnit...you owe me a new keyboard...I spit my cereal milk all over my computer!!!

Well played!

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 640513)

In addition to sheet metal, gear doors, and antenna the props and hubs are probably toast, and they will probably need to tear down and inspect the gearbox...my guess is that it will be scrapped.

While I'm sure it will get inspected, it doesnt look like the props hit anything from the angle of pic I saw. Mabye more damage than meets the eye, but I highly doubt this bird is going to be scrapped, cant be damaged that bad, Its not like this was a gear up landing

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Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 640473)

Rumor I heard was mx was working on the airplane and left the gear handle up after working on it. The FO came in and fired up the APU and hydraulics and bam, the gear retracted. It's been a while since I had anything to do with an Embraer, but if I remember the ERJ correctly, and the Bro is anything like it, the WoW switches cause a j-hook to physically prevent the gear handle from being moved up while on the ground. This j-hook can be overridden with a button next to the gear handle in case there is some sort of malfunction with the system. Once overridden, the handle can be moved and still actuates the gear retraction. From what I can remember, that is all that prevents the gear from being retracted on the ground. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.[/IMG]

Correct but you still need hydraulics and we don't turn them on until after the engines have been started. Unless we are doing the first flight rudder check but at SKW 99.99% of the time only the CA’s do the FFOD Originating Check and IF we let the FO’s do it we are there observing so they get it right. It’s a very long series of systems checks and FO’s just don’t do them that often, they’re plates are already full in the morning.

BTW, do you Lakers turn the hydraulics on after you start the APU? Why? You don’t need them unless you drop the parking/emergency brake? Or maybe he was trying to suck the Hydraulic Gear doors back up.

On the 170, before any AC power is established, the checklist says to make sure the Landing gear lever is DOWN.

Is there a checklist item on the Bro to do this too before power is established?

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Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 640642)

On the 170, before any AC power is established, the checklist says to make sure the Landing gear lever is DOWN.

Is their a checklist item on the Bro to do this too before power is established?

THERE might be if THEIR company has one and THEY'RE using it properly.

OO.

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Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 640473)

Rumor I heard was mx was working on the airplane and left the gear handle up after working on it. The FO came in and fired up the APU and hydraulics and bam, the gear retracted.

So it was pilot error :cool:

Sorry this happened. Was it one of the pos planes at least? :D

Wonder what they pay the mechanics, 11.50 a hour? Love those sign your life away jobs. for peanuts.

It's lakes, they most definitely won't scrap it. But it is a bro and our mx program for the burrito machine is a little slow at times so getting it back online might take the better part of the next year.
I can't say whether or not the checklist already calls to check this prior to starting the APU but if not, they've been adding checklist items to us all year so this would seem a highly likely addition.
Looks like I can expect JR Mans on the Beech to increase as we pick up their flying.

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 640641)

Wish I could answer but I'm on the Beech, not the Bro. Just have some ERJ experience so I assumed some of the systems are very similar. I suppose the mechanic who had the gear lever up also could have had the hydraulics in AUTO mode (assuming it's similar to the ERJ) and as soon as the electric pumps kicked on then the gear went up. I do know that our flow for starting up the APU at TSA included a check to make sure the gear handle was down. I'd heard (again, just rumor) that the FO was firing things up before the CA was there so no acceptance check had been done yet by the CA. Only other reason I could think of as far as turning on the hydraulics is if he wanted to close the door for some reason and the accumulator was low on pressure or something (once again assuming similar systems to the ERJ).