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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 640480)

bet you get a new item to the APU start checklist. Something like varify Mx didnt leave the gear handle up....:D That sucks we are all capable of an embarrasing mistake, although this one decidedly is pretty big...

Don't we all verify gear handle down before turning electrical on? I was taught that day one with re-tracts.

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Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 640904)

Don't we all verify gear handle down before turning electrical on? I was taught that day one with re-tracts.

OK, OK, I was talking tongue in cheek....:D remember I said (verify mx didnt leave it up)...like I said embarrassing mistake most likely a contributing factor being in a hurry. Plane just came out of mx so I assume they were already delayed.

SkyWest geared up a Bro on the ground in PSP a few months ago... similar to this situation. MX was swinging the gear after doing some repairs/inspection. The last part of the procedure requires a manual free-fall, in which the gear handle is placed in the UP position (so you can see all disagreement/down-locked indications). Well, after they did it, they allegedly forgot to put the handle down. The following morning when it was time to reposition the plane from the hanger to the gate, MX hoped in the plane, flowed the switches, fired up the APU, time to close the door... what? No juice? Flip on the hydraulic pump and BOOM... up goes the gear. Originally they were going to part it out but now they're apparently rebuilding it (can you say "time-and-a-half). It may have been 232SW. It hasn't flown for months and isn't scheduled to return to service until January. Why can't they get rid of pigs like that when it comes to deciding which "Bro's" go.

Looks like the old girl was just tired and needed to lay down for a bit.

Wow, a gear up at the gate.

Did they foam the tarmac?

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Originally Posted by stratoduck (Post 641123)

Wow, a gear up at the gate.

Did they foam the tarmac?

Nope, they foamed all the runways after it happened, just in case.

Then DEN had a ground stop.

I couldn't help but think of Peter Griffin in the airplane looking at the "DO NOT PULL" sign next to the emergency exit door of the plane... Did some young FO succumb to a pang of curiosity and tug on the gear lever? :D

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Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 640642)

On the 170, before any AC power is established, the checklist says to make sure the Landing gear lever is DOWN.

Is there a checklist item on the Bro to do this too before power is established?

Skywest has a "Landing Gear Lever... DOWN" step on their initial power up checklist for the Brasilia, also. Somebody didn't power the aircraft up correctly. I'm guessing he/she ran the hydraulics for a second to suck the gear doors up, and they got a little more than they planned for!

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Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 640641)

Correct but you still need hydraulics and we don't turn them on until after the engines have been started. Unless we are doing the first flight rudder check but at SKW 99.99% of the time only the CA’s do the FFOD Originating Check and IF we let the FO’s do it we are there observing so they get it right. It’s a very long series of systems checks and FO’s just don’t do them that often, they’re plates are already full in the morning.

BTW, do you Lakers turn the hydraulics on after you start the APU? Why? You don’t need them unless you drop the parking/emergency brake? Or maybe he was trying to suck the Hydraulic Gear doors back up.

You act like it is a very difficult and lengthy process that only the Mighty Captain can perform. The FO's at Lakes do the FFOD items. IF the Captain does these tests, the FO supervises him because he forget how to do some of them and he needs to know them for his recurrent.

It may have been the first flight of the day because MX was working on it. Or they might have turned the pump on because of the main door or gear doors. The Acceptance checklist (also done by the FO) calls to check that the gear is down before powering up the APU.