:) ROINFLOL~!

And the return of the 1900's!! Although, I think it'd be a nice pic to have a 190 in front of the IWD terminal. :D[/quote]

Accompanied by a picture of the 13 passengers that would be carried on the maiden flight! I surely do miss the 1900, though - what a dream of an airplane to fly... Thanks for making me wax nostalgic!

...after the 10 to RHI, then another 12 at IMT, 15 to SAW, 18 at ESC, 8 to MBL, and 10 to MKG. That's over an 80% load! One plane, one big circle, twice a day.

http://s731.photobucket.com/albums/w...midwest135.jpg


this really put a damper on my 5:30 am walkaround in KIND this morning.

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I guess we're not the only one's with this problem. Aww Republic didn't get the 500th one.

20 of 25. Envy.

It's the the age we live in.

Sounds like the right attitude at RAH. "They are all jealous of our shiny jets. Doesn't matter what they pay us, nobody see's our paychecks! They just see our bigass shiny jets. Sweet, High five dude! Lets go work out!"

"I want visors kinda tilted to the side with hair gel coming out of them!"

Do I get the hair gel now? or do I have to buy it myself?

K i'm done with the movie quotes.

Not exactly... Their pay and quality of life is just a little bid different... and they didnt cost any air france jobs.

RAH didn't cost any jobs either. They saved quite a few. What really hurts is seeing so many airline managers bail out with their golden parachutes and not have one regret about screwing over so many faithful employees.

Where would YX right now if they were to be left alone? Instead of 9 airplanes, they would probably have 0. I guess the good thing, it would have been quick and painless instead of RAH slowly killing the airline and the jobs :(

Wrong. They would still have 9 planes. Boeing was taking back the 717's at a rate that satisfies the new Mexican customer. RAH's involvement had nothing to do with the loss of the 717, and has nothing to do with the rate of loss. Midwest contracted with RAH once they learned of Boeing's intention to take back the 717. RAH essentially filled in the gaps in the Midwest fleet, and is going to continue to do so.

In hindsight, Midwest may have been better off giving in to the Airtran purchase. But, we all have our pride, and we never want to see our company "lose" to someone else. Midwest had a great product, but to varying degrees the economy and the Midwest managers contributed to the collapse of a nice niche airline. Midwest will never be what it was. The 190 will not replicate the comfort of the 717, and will not be as memorable to the passengers. Midwest will likely be brought to match the Frontier model for passenger accommodation (still not bad, but not what Midwest was), and soon the main difference between Midwest and Frontier will be paint color. Brian Bedford will aim to have a single brand experience for the simple reason that it is cheaper to train and provide a single level of service, and to outift aircraft to a single standard. Frontier and MIdwest now have a codeshare agreement. I could very well see the Midwest name go away in a few years, after Midwest passengers have had a chance to experience and accept Frontier as an equal product via the codeshare.

Are you the same guy on RP.org complaining that you don't wear your hat even though it is required part of the uniform? :rolleyes:

If so, good luck with your attitude in life.

!!!!! They even took over the Skywest flying!!!! I must say that's one ugly color on an ERJ. It must be horible for Midwest regulars to go from a boing to an ERJ.

All I have to say is if they take away the cookies...I'm going to cry.

The 170s and 190s are very comfortable from a passenger standpoint. By the way, I thought a "boing" was something that happened to Wylie Coyote.

Nay.. t'was not me. I havent been on rp.org since they started charging ten bucks to be in the RPA. I wear my hat at all times.

This has to be one of the most childish posts that I have ever read. I would like to meet you and hear you speak. I would like to ask you questions to hear how you reply. I am guessing it is all bark and everything you type is a compilation of something you have read or heard.

I am employed at RAH. I am thankful to be employed here. This is my second airline. I left Colgan after researching an asking quesions to anyone and everyone I could. I didn't go and pay for my ratings and get a job handed to me or a guaranteed interview. I am a business person. In my 5 years in this industry all the negativity and ridiculous comments comes fro
a pay for your ratings get it done fast person. They are ignorant comments because you formulate your own idea of what it really is about.

I am educated. I understand what business is. Your business is only strong as you make it.

It has been obvious of the evolution of the airline industry. Regional carriers will most likely turn into domestic carriers. It is pretty evident that the number or regional/domestic carriers will shrink. It is just going to happen. Scope will be evaded by a domestic carrier becoming a member of Star Alliance, Sky Team or etc.

Status Quo and being satisifed with contracts is not going to cut it. You have to provide a good product at an affordable price. Face it.

As for Midwest and Frontier. I want everyone of their pilots and flight attendants to come and join our team. I want a bigger family I want each one of them to keep a relative seniority. I want them
to say in 5 years that they are happy. I want this company to remain strong. We do provide a great product. Most of us bust our ass here to make it better.

We do not sit and try and trash talk. Most of us that aren't the pay for training guys that some have a tendency to get caught up in this drama.

We do our job and do it to the best of our ability. So I just want to say put up shut up do your job and live a happy life. Let go
of the drama. You are sounding ignorant and ignorant means you are informed. Strive to understand business and aaviation. Not the old school ways. I apologize for errors. This is being typed on phone.

Sounds like a robot typed this, phone or not..don't put someone down as ignorant and "(un) informed" and claim to be an "educated business man" if you can't even write coherent, complete sentences.

"Failing company" or not, anyone that can't see that this is a negative thing for the industry needs a serious wake-up call.

Comfortable is a relative thing. When I deadhead on these things and watch the expessions on the faces of the passengers, you can just tell they are not happy when they struggle to find carryon baggage space. If BB thinks he is going to compete to the west coast from MKE against Southwest and Air Tran ,even with the 190 he got another think coming.

I used to jumpseat A LOT on Republic's E170/175 airframes and I can't say overhead baggage space was any more an issue with a full plane than on a 737, DC-9, or similar airframe.

Like I said, it's a relative thing. A product of what you've come to expect from previous experience. For a first time flyer, it's no big deal.What do they know? For someone who has been used to Midwest Airlines over the last 25 years, it's a letdown.

You must not of paid attention then. I flew and commuted on 717's for years and have been using 170's for commute for about a year. I can remember only 1 time where a 717 ran out of overhead space but it's a common occurrence on the 170.

First of all I apologized for not proof reading. It is near impossible on an iPhone through this forum. Second it is a forum. This isn't something I am submitting or releasing.

I find it funny that is all you can really say about the post.

As for being good for the industry. I feel it is better than the alternative. Days of regulation are over. Living like it is still regulated is over. Just look airlines are flunking. They are not capable of running efficent and profitable. The real issue is not being able to adjust ticketing prices with the the rise and low of fixed cost. It takes weeks to accomplish when it should take minutes. Airlies seem ok with losing money.

No let say southwest comes in an outbids and gets approval to purchase Frontier. Do you think they want to run the airline seperate or merge. Not a chance. Competition is needed.

I am tried of how someone is trying to get to the legacy or major carriers. Well those ideas andrntalities are one reason the regional airline is the way it
is. The truth behind is those days are over. Places are seeing guys stayin put. I think QOL and not shiny new jet or big jet or banging a light attendant in Dublin. QOL.

Leave it to RAH. We will vote only an acceptable contract. That is all the power we have. Until you see it. Shut the **** up. We are living to our current CBA. You and your cronie that compain and call us a disease. Feel free to email those concerns to RAH and you can do that via rjet.com.

As for now I am sure there is more errors so if that is all you have to day dot waste your time. You aren't putting me down except maybe to the Expressjet guys

Of course an airplane designed for ~110 seats but only with 80-90 would have more overhead space per passenger than an airplane designed for 72 seats with 72 seats installed.

Like I said, the 170/175, in my two years of riding on them to and from work, didn't have any more overhead storage issues than a 737 or DC-9 series airplane (US Airways, United, Northwest, Delta, etc).

Obviously, others' experiences my vary...

Most of my commuting was on airtran with 117 seats.

I just want to know if we are going to hear any objections from Republic pilots flying the E-190 with the word Midwest on the side. I think the Midwest pilots deserve your respect. After all, you are taking their jobs. Look out F9. You are next.

You are an idiot but you are in good company here at APC.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Has nothing to do with sleeping at night. Do yourself a favor and do a little research before you open your mouth and spew your garbage.:rolleyes:

Joker

Well, I haven't bid any of this flying, despite the fact I'm a West Coast commuter and my quality of life would increase exponentially, out of respect for the Midwest folks. I'm not alone. There, you've read one objection.

On behalf of the Midwest Pilots, Thank You.

A little research? There hasn't been any from ANYONE!

Midwest stopped making payments on the airplanes under the "shock and awe" negotiating strategy of the consultants that were hired by the new owners (TPG). Then they went to Boeing and Rolls Royce, and told them what they were willing to pay for the airplanes.

Boeing agreed. What else were they going to do with 25 717s?

Midwest's CEO said, "wait, let's come back tommorrow, and talk about another five grand lower per plane per month."

The next day Boeing said' "just give us back the airplanes."

Oops. Midwest had to find some airplanes QUICK! Frontier just broke Republic's contract, so they had 12 airplanes that could fly in two months. Midwest pulled back to a 21 airplane schedule, so Boeing let them keep 9 on short term leases. Meanwhile, all 25 were on the market, and Boeing found a customer. A dios.

Arrogance was the reason why Midwest was flying 9 airplanes, but some people seem to think that they're saving a dying airline. If that was really the case, why did the park the airplanes with the lowest seat mile costs, 5 of which they owned, and the others were on property for lunch money? Maybe because this deal was 13 months in the making, and MD-80s weren't part of the plan.

Stay tuned kids.

Was my point. There is these big misconceptions that RAH is responsible for YX's demise and those few that think RAH is saving a "dying airline." Mean while back at the ranch, YX's demise was in process even before RAH came along. While I'm sure RAH didn't help matters the vast majority of the blame can be placed squarely on the shoulder's of YX's management and TPG.

Unfortunately, when you lease the vast majority of your fleet you're at the mercy of the lessor.

Joker

We agree on that. Midwest was mismanaged, but this deal has been on for a while. The 'loan' from Republic in September was probably really a down payment. What we are both in the middle of right now is a demonstration of union busting that will be discussed in MBA school for generations. I know someone else is going to say it's our fault for not having scope. We did, to protect us from exactly this. The arbitrator fell for management's sob story, without realizing we were already sold. Republic pilots can help rewrite history by securing a decent contract. Good luck. We all need it!

I hope you are right. I certainly know there will be a good bit of us looking to write some of the wrongs this industry has sent "our" way. I just hope that we can over come the RAH Koolaid. There are quite a few that are currently drinking it and we are hopeful they are in the minority rather than the majority.

I have no desire for the 190 but if we should fly together someday, I've got the first round. ;)

Joker

Cost jobs......???? Pish Posh! They threw Midwest and Frontier guys right under the bus. I can't wait to hear about the negotiations, maybe Midwest guys will get 2nd year FO pay when they come to fly the mighty E170.

Yay 31 bucks an hour.

Just out of curiosity, do you bring anything of value to threads or do you consistently say immature, worthless comments and then duck out? Butt out if you've got nothing to say kiddo.

I would, but this is a PUBLIC forum. If you want a private chat you might want to get on that. Sorry, I offended you by your own pay scale.