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BringDaFunk 07-18-2009 04:32 PM


Sorry, I offended you by your own pay scale.
Ahh...that was good....that was good.

Just as a side note, i think we found another 190 fellow on that one.Good work.

RAHPilot5 07-18-2009 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 646970)
Just out of curiosity, do you bring anything of value to threads or do you consistently say immature, worthless comments and then duck out? Butt out if you've got nothing to say kiddo.

Tiller, just do this:


Makes this website doable since he and Sobb are on the "list"

click on his name and add him to your ignore list.:p:D

xtreme 07-18-2009 05:30 PM

Ear muffs guys. Ear muffs.

AirWillie 07-18-2009 09:46 PM

So what's happening with them 190s? Are they going through training right now?

boeingt7 07-19-2009 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 647111)
So what's happening with them 190s? Are they going through training right now?

I'm wondering the same thing. Less than two weeks before their supposed to get 14 planes right? Shouldn't there be some sort of training going on?

TillerEnvy 07-19-2009 11:45 AM

Yes, training is going on..2 planes starting in August. It's only differences training if you're on the Republic cert - 170/175 and typed (SIC or PIC).

TillerEnvy 07-19-2009 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by RAHPilot5 (Post 647025)
Tiller, just do this:








Makes this website doable since he and Sobb are on the "list"

click on his name and add him to your ignore list.:p:D

I would do that, but when kids like this post stuff out of their arse that they know nothing about, it's free entertainment. As if it's my fault they went where they did.

piglet 07-19-2009 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 643612)
Son, I was flying 121 when you were in junior high. Unless you work at a major, you're just as culpable in all of this. If you're flying a jet with a livery of a major on the tail, you're guilty too. Chances are an MD80, 737 or A320 once flew those same routes you now claim as yours.

I remember back in the day, majors got upset when regionals first flew pressurized cabins. Then it was turboprops that upset everybody. The advent of the CRJ outraged many. The 70 seat RJ did the same. The CRJ900 sparked some outrage over changes in scope limitations. Now the 100 seater EMB190 is causing a stir. To those who choose to throw stones towards RAH, take a look in the mirror. If you're flying anything that I mentioned above, you're also a part of the problem. Tough to admit, but you must.


If you are at mainline as long as you say you have been, then you are the one who is really to blame every time you voted to get more at mainline by giving management more relief on the scope clause by allow the regionals to do more and more...

Think about it, you have the ability to stop this more than anyone who is at the regionals....give the mainline guys a bone and they will give up anything just as long as they keep their jobs and make more.

I am all for striking... unfortunately for you, seem you were all about I, me, my...

ToiletDuck 07-19-2009 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by boeingt7 (Post 647212)
I'm wondering the same thing. Less than two weeks before their supposed to get 14 planes right? Shouldn't there be some sort of training going on?

The 14 planes aren't 190s all at once. There are a few ERJs in paint but dunno if those are included in the 14 plane number.

boeingt7 07-19-2009 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 647342)
The 14 planes aren't 190s all at once. There are a few ERJs in paint but dunno if those are included in the 14 plane number.

when are the 12 erj's coming anyway?

ToiletDuck 07-19-2009 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by boeingt7 (Post 647358)
when are the 12 erj's coming anyway?

I'm sure it was in a memo somewhere but I wouldn't believe it enough to post it. Honestly I don't know but there is at least one already in paint and they are more readily available since they are coming from CAL.

DLAJ77 07-19-2009 04:42 PM

I talked to a rah driver the other day and he said people actually voluntered to fly the 190... how sad if this is true?? Saw an erj painted in midwest colors and laughed then almost threw up a little. its sad to see the death of a good product.

Killer51883 07-19-2009 05:03 PM

the 145's are coming at one a month or so untill the end of december when the 7 UAL 145's will get switched over. plus ive heard some are former express jet planes.

xtreme 07-19-2009 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 647407)
plus ive heard some are former express jet planes.

Sad part is those planes were once flying for a company that has one of the best contracts in the industry, and now flying for one of the worst. Now the higher paid pilots are on furlough and RAH is soaking it up. Tisk tisk...

WeaselBoy 07-19-2009 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 647419)
Sad part is those planes were once flying for a company that has one of the best contracts in the industry, and now flying for one of the worst. Now the higher paid pilots are on furlough and RAH is soaking it up. Tisk tisk...

Yeah, your $2/ hour higher pay difference really raises the bar.

Thanks for being the beacon shining in the dark.

Again, you work for a regional. That's like saying your hooking up with the hot fat chick. It's still a fat chick.

xtreme 07-19-2009 07:28 PM

You you're right, It's just $2 dollars, It's just no cancellation pay, It's just 75% deadhead pay, It's just no duty n trip rigs, It's just no trip touching, It's just...

Anything else you want to add to that, go right ahead.

Oh and you know, fat chicks need lovin' too. ;)

Edwin 07-20-2009 05:13 AM

I'm still waiting for the Republic guys to voice their support for the Midex pilots. I bet you Republic pilots have no desire to fly on Midwest routes in airplanes that you know Midwest pilots should be flying.

TillerEnvy 07-20-2009 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by xtreme (Post 647496)
You you're right, It's just $2 dollars, It's just no cancellation pay, It's just 75% deadhead pay, It's just no duty n trip rigs, It's just no trip touching, It's just...

Anything else you want to add to that, go right ahead.

Oh and you know, fat chicks need lovin' too. ;)


Aye aye aye, the tool meter on you keeps flying through the roof. Please, keep typing so the entertainment keeps coming.

TillerEnvy 07-20-2009 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Edwin (Post 647599)
I'm still waiting for the Republic guys to voice their support for the Midex pilots. I bet you Republic pilots have no desire to fly on Midwest routes in airplanes that you know Midwest pilots should be flying.

Dear Edwin~

What regional out there is not flying current mainline routes or routes that were once mainline routes? Please answer. With whom do you work for Edwin? And what routes "should Midwest pilots be flying"? Midwest pilots will become Republic pilots and until we get our contract fixed to where it should be, they'll be flying the 190 for subpar pay. Bad now? You betcha. Will we fix it? Sure will. We won't screw up like Mesa just did by signing in their horrible new TA. I wonder if any of you Internet wonders know the reason why we "gave in" and have the contract we have today. The all FO payscale (regardless of airframe) was signed and agreed upon to avoid managements goal of 2 (or 3) seniority lists and using us against each other like eGOJET did. We will fix this.

STILL GROUNDED 07-20-2009 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 644773)
I must say that's one ugly color on an ERJ. It must be horible for Midwest regulars to go from a boing to an ERJ.

Yeah, but just imagine their pleasant surprise when it's not a Crj.

PS: it's an ugly color on any airplane. Worst pain scheme in aviation, just an opinion.

STILL GROUNDED 07-20-2009 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by macflyer (Post 643967)
Not exactly... Their pay and quality of life is just a little bid different... and they didnt cost any air france jobs.

What is their pay and how is their quality of life?

ToiletDuck 07-20-2009 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by DLAJ77 (Post 647399)
I talked to a rah driver the other day and he said people actually voluntered to fly the 190... how sad if this is true?? Saw an erj painted in midwest colors and laughed then almost threw up a little. its sad to see the death of a good product.

It's either bid or get displaced. Either way the aircraft are on their way, at least a couple, so if someone lives in MKE it would be better they get the spot than someone be displaced from their home in another base. Once they are here it doesn't matter who bids them.

AtlCSIP 07-20-2009 08:45 AM

Amazing
 
One of the most amazing thing I have noticed while participating in these forums is that the same complaining occurs consistently, and it is always managements fault. I don't remember hearing, not that it hasn't occurred, anyone with an idea of how to increase ridership on our airlines, make our product distinguishable so that people would be willing to pay more for it, or reduce the costs associated with the operations so that there will be additional money to spread around for crew compensation. In other industries, the people that are most highly compensated bring value to the company, product or service. What are we doing in that capacity?

mmaviator 07-20-2009 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 647696)
One of the most amazing thing I have noticed while participating in these forums is that the same complaining occurs consistently, and it is always managements fault. I don't remember hearing, not that it hasn't occurred, anyone with an idea of how to increase ridership on our airlines, make our product distinguishable so that people would be willing to pay more for it, or reduce the costs associated with the operations so that there will be additional money to spread around for crew compensation. In other industries, the people that are most highly compensated bring value to the company, product or service. What are we doing in that capacity?


i agree but airline pilots don't paid anymore whether they do more or not. also, its hard to do more and then have pilots under cut what you did.

moonkey 07-20-2009 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 647696)
One of the most amazing thing I have noticed while participating in these forums is that the same complaining occurs consistently, and it is always managements fault. I don't remember hearing, not that it hasn't occurred, anyone with an idea of how to increase ridership on our airlines, make our product distinguishable so that people would be willing to pay more for it, or reduce the costs associated with the operations so that there will be additional money to spread around for crew compensation. In other industries, the people that are most highly compensated bring value to the company, product or service. What are we doing in that capacity?

You're joking, right?

ToiletDuck 07-20-2009 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 647696)
One of the most amazing thing I have noticed while participating in these forums is that the same complaining occurs consistently, and it is always managements fault. I don't remember hearing, not that it hasn't occurred, anyone with an idea of how to increase ridership on our airlines, make our product distinguishable so that people would be willing to pay more for it, or reduce the costs associated with the operations so that there will be additional money to spread around for crew compensation. In other industries, the people that are most highly compensated bring value to the company, product or service. What are we doing in that capacity?

Flying a pressurized piece of aluminum at 30+ thousand feet from one part of the country to another and sticking it on an enlarged parking lot. Doing so while taking into account aircraft performance, weather, pax comfort, situational awareness, and the readiness to take action when things go wrong.

250 or point 65 07-20-2009 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 647696)
One of the most amazing thing I have noticed while participating in these forums is that the same complaining occurs consistently, and it is always managements fault. I don't remember hearing, not that it hasn't occurred, anyone with an idea of how to increase ridership on our airlines, make our product distinguishable so that people would be willing to pay more for it, or reduce the costs associated with the operations so that there will be additional money to spread around for crew compensation. In other industries, the people that are most highly compensated bring value to the company, product or service. What are we doing in that capacity?

So you're asking someone who makes $25k/yr to do the job of someone who makes $25mil/yr?

I believe that the "job responsibilities" you listed would probably be found in a CEO job posting.

texaspilot76 07-20-2009 10:14 AM

Just so everyone on here knows what the real mentality of Republic employees are:

There was a Republic employee on my commute yesterday. I overheard the conversation between this individual and the flight attendant, and this individual couldn't help exclaiming "I can't wait till the 190's get here! They will be so nice! We are really moving up!"

No joke, this is how these people think. I would love to be there when the same bragging occurs in front of a furloughed Midwest employee.

G2TT 07-20-2009 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 647748)
Just so everyone on here knows what the real mentality of Republic employees are:

There was a Republic employee on my commute yesterday. I overheard the conversation between this individual and the flight attendant, and this individual couldn't help exclaiming "I can't wait till the 190's get here! They will be so nice! We are really moving up!"

No joke, this is how these people think. I would love to be there when the same bragging occurs in front of a furloughed Midwest employee.

These people? Oh boy, nothing like a good ol' generalization from one person to reflect on thousands of others.

buffalopilot 07-20-2009 11:17 AM

This is how Republic will be its own airline one day. Bigger planes that we fly under our own brand. Hell, I never need to apply for another job, just stay here. Great!

CANAM 07-20-2009 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 647748)
Just so everyone on here knows what the real mentality of Republic employees are:

There was a Republic employee on my commute yesterday. I overheard the conversation between this individual and the flight attendant, and this individual couldn't help exclaiming "I can't wait till the 190's get here! They will be so nice! We are really moving up!"

No joke, this is how these people think. I would love to be there when the same bragging occurs in front of a furloughed Midwest employee.

You heard a guy talking to a flight attendant? That's your proof? That's it? If you ever choose to quit flying, I suggest you become a private investigator because we're all blown away with your mad skills.

Edwin 07-20-2009 11:27 AM

I am sure a lot of Midwest pilots can't wait to meet some to these republic guys. So Toilet Duck, please tell us what you are going to say on your first flight with a Midwest 20 plus year captain.

aviatormjc 07-20-2009 12:19 PM

Who cares? He will probably say "hello, my name is ......, pleased to meet you." Why is everyone so crazy over Republic 190s? How old are you really?

JeremiahWeed 07-20-2009 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 647748)
Just so everyone on here knows what the real mentality of Republic employees are:

There was a Republic employee on my commute yesterday. I overheard the conversation between this individual and the flight attendant, and this individual couldn't help exclaiming "I can't wait till the 190's get here! They will be so nice! We are really moving up!"

No joke, this is how these people think. I would love to be there when the same bragging occurs in front of a furloughed Midwest employee.

I call flame bait unless you can provide more information than that. My mother's brother's sister's dog's owner's second cousin's stepmother's brother said.......:rolleyes:

Joker

STILL GROUNDED 07-20-2009 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Edwin (Post 647789)
So Toilet Duck, please tell us what you are going to say on your first flight with a Midwest 20 plus year captain.

Here's one Duck, "you get the clearance yet?" or how about "my brakes, my steering, my controls, what gate are we at?"

texaspilot76 07-20-2009 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by JeremiahWeed (Post 647830)
I call flame bait unless you can provide more information than that. My mother's brother's sister's dog's owner's second cousin's stepmother's brother said.......:rolleyes:

Joker

Those words came from the mouth of a Republic crewmember sitting in the row in front of me. How much more plain can it get?

STILL GROUNDED 07-20-2009 02:04 PM

For those who bid it, they along with everyone else knew what the pay rate on the 190 is when they took the job. Did anyone see us flying it branded, nope. Here's the deal, at least for Captains. It is still the highest paying among the fleet and no doubt will continue to be under the new contract. There is not a distinction 170/175's in regards to bases. So if you are at a 190 base you will always be paid at 175/190 or per our contract 79 seats plus. This equates to $7-10k per year under the current contract and may equal an even bigger difference under the new one. For the FO's they know there are better things in store for it so you fools that think you are going to berate someone into doing something the way you think it should be done are wasting your time and APC's server space.

STILL GROUNDED 07-20-2009 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 647748)
Just so everyone on here knows what the real mentality of Republic employees are:

There was a Republic employee on my commute yesterday. I overheard the conversation between this individual and the flight attendant, and this individual couldn't help exclaiming "I can't wait till the 190's get here! They will be so nice! We are really moving up!"

No joke, this is how these people think. I would love to be there when the same bragging occurs in front of a furloughed Midwest employee.

So you find one kid that's excited because his company is doing something besides laying people off and immediately that's "how these people" think.

And what do you mean "these people"? :rolleyes: Do we need to call the ACLU?

Chances are the Midwest employee would be more responsible and mature then you and simply remind this young man of the unfortunate few that have lost their jobs in this transaction.

Edwin 07-20-2009 03:25 PM

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Chances are the Midwest employee would be more responsible and mature then you and simply remind this young man of the unfortunate few that have lost their jobs in this transaction.[/quote]

"Unfortunate few" means over half the company. They lost their jobs to you. You are more than willing to come in and do their flying for less than half of what they were making. I would be irresponsible myself if I did not remind you of that fact.

GoBlue 07-20-2009 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Edwin (Post 647789)
I am sure a lot of Midwest pilots can't wait to meet some to these republic guys. So Toilet Duck, please tell us what you are going to say on your first flight with a Midwest 20 plus year captain.

Since the duck is on the 145, I doubt he will come across a 20 year Midwest captain. But, don't let the facts get in the way of a good insult.


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