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I could spit...and throw a rock or two.

Or act like an adult and do neither.

We all knew it was comming... but seeing it sure puts an even worse spin on the whole dam thing...

Most republic guys are going to be drooling over this picture.

Or i could just start storing rocks in every plane i fly in with an arrow pointing to where ive stashed them so that everyone can have a rock....let me guess you are one of the lucky people who gets to shuttle this to the USA!Dont forget a big american flag to hang out the window!

It aint going anywhere. I already stole the rudder.

NiCE!! You just made the day for hundreds of Emory Driidlle students out there. You just found the computer background of the month for them! As far as for RAH, I'm guessing posters are being erected allover the HQs and pilot lounges.

Your glass ball needs some windex, slick....you're way off base. Guess that's why you've never won the lottery, either, eh?

huh?

All im saying is...dont use too much rudder....it just might SNAP!

Be careful throwing those rocks from inside your glass house. This paint scheme I'm sure takes mainline jobs too:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../9/1527997.jpg

Ha we found the acting SIC for the ferry flight!

I was interviewed by mainline northwest for my job in that little jet!I think if anything we will be saving jobs with a flowdown! We dont fly for every major airline in the US and then blame each other for why the industry is bad.

Enjoy the 190

They make great tables. ;)

Something tells me that you drool over most Republic guys.

At least the Compass airplane has the word Airlink after the NWA. All I see on the 190 is Midwest. Well, I guess we wouldn't want to parade a mainline size airplane off as a regional airliner now would we. That would just be bad form.

Sorry fellas, but I die a little inside when I see this airplane.

Makes me just want to PUKE, Hope all those RAH guys are are playing Eookie Cookie over that picture!

That pic really turns my stomach because i see my career progression going down the drains.... Right now I will defend the RAH pilot group as they had no way to stop this, but i do pray when their contract is up for negotation they fight and make damn sure they get what the majors are paying if not more to fly this bird, thats where we will see if the RAH group has a backbone. Please don't let me down guys

The knife in the back of Midwest guys/gals was just twisted.:(

DEFEND THEM?!?!?!?! They are not defendable. They have not once stood up for themselves......but then again they would have to believe passionately about something to do so.

Bottom line is the RAH croanies are happy about this. You dont hear them talking about furloughs or downgrades do you? But you know what those who take shortcuts in life always end up getting theirs.

COME ON SWA!!!! Sit back and watch SW dismantle RAH and with any luck the RAH clan can feel some of the pain they have inflicted on worthy Midwest families.

:D:D:D .....

I'm guessing the Midwest brand isn't going to be around much longer. I would imagine along with F9 they'll be renamed at some point.

So does my back! I hate working the pits in those planes.:mad:

I don't recall mentioning a payscale. It doesn't pertain to my point that Air Willie also flew 100+ seat aircraft. And stop talking about balls. It's weird.

1) "The "Connect" sticker is optional now, right?" -- BB

2) Ditto.

Great post

I agree, the airline world IS laughing at you.

This is what you guys have been reduced to, junior high school style jokes. Pathetic.

You are my hero. Nice one two punch right there.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...for those who like revisionist history and refuse an apples-to-apples comparison:

The E175/190 CA rates in the CHQ 2003 contract through its duration are 2-3% higher than the B146 CA payrates in the ARW 2003 contract through its duration (or at least 2008, because I don't have the 2009 adjusted scales) beyond year 3 of longevity. And yes, I'll acknowledge (again) that the CHQ 2003 payscale essentially created an FO B-scale where the ARW B146 FO rates were 60% of B146 CA rates.

YES, the ARW 2003 contract was concessionary, and YES ARW's concessionary work rules are better than RAH...but given that both CBAs were negotiated in the SAME ENVIRONMENT and went into effect on the SAME DATE as the CHQ agreement (and without ARW facing the threat of a non-union alter-ego airline being formed to take their flying), those rates aren't too bad.

Son, I was flying 121 when you were in junior high. Unless you work at a major, you're just as culpable in all of this. If you're flying a jet with a livery of a major on the tail, you're guilty too. Chances are an MD80, 737 or A320 once flew those same routes you now claim as yours.

I remember back in the day, majors got upset when regionals first flew pressurized cabins. Then it was turboprops that upset everybody. The advent of the CRJ outraged many. The 70 seat RJ did the same. The CRJ900 sparked some outrage over changes in scope limitations. Now the 100 seater EMB190 is causing a stir. To those who choose to throw stones towards RAH, take a look in the mirror. If you're flying anything that I mentioned above, you're also a part of the problem. Tough to admit, but you must.

His point failed to connect with me. It's clear that many who are ranting here have no real arguement. They just seem to be screaming mad at RAH in general. It reminds me of the recent Presidential election. Nobody really knew what the election was about. Other than Bush bad, change good. Much is true here. If you're mad at a particular issue, make your case clearly so that it can be debated. Saying that you want to throw rocks, boxing references, and barfing is hardly a resonable stance on the subject.

NICE!! Finally you can project your bankrupt morality on another pilot group. Just because GoJet isn't "in the news" right now doesn't mean you've all of the sudden been accepted. Our views of GJ pilots hasn't changed and there's no way we can take GJ pilot's opinion seriously on the subject of taking people's jobs.

Including the Republican Vice-presidential nominee :D (just had to)

AirWillie works for GoJet?!?! Oh may God. Talk about a deranged slant on reality. Not to mention disrepecting Air Wisconsin guys for using thier name and the TSA guys for the many obvious reasons.

Hey, I chose not to vote for that very reason! However, she was pretty cute for a politician.

So what fight are you fighting here?

I want nothing more than to work at a major, that is fading away rather quickly. My years at a major are being eroded. With that said, while I am at a regional, I'm glad i'm with a company that I can make a decent living and have decent work rules.

Perhaps when I was in junior high, you should have been working on locking in a better scope clause in your contract.

The airplane itself looks pretty good. Im sure it would look alot better with the midwest guys flying it for jet blue rates.

That definitely sounds good. Well said man.

I personally think the industry has become a completer cluster and many people/groups deserve to shoulder some of this. For instance, what about the legacy pilots who didn't want the little jets? What about the legacy carriers who started requiring 1000 TPIC at a 121 to become an FO? For the non-military types, that kinda whittled-down the ol' career path options.



And the return of the 1900's!! Although, I think it'd be a nice pic to have a 190 in front of the IWD terminal. :D

I couldn't be with you more on that statement. I agree 100% with your last point. I too share in your desire to work for a major. And for a while, I did. The lack of scope (at all airlines) is the problem here. The issue doesn't lie exclusively with RAH.

I saw one of these planes taking off in MSP today...reminded me of this thread.

so what you're saying is that while they were in Jr. High there were several chances where the "experienced" Midwest guys (at whatever airlines they were at) could have created scope or done something to reduce or eliminate the slow erosion that allows what is happening now to happen? And by extension, other pilots at Majors to stop the slow erosion as well with scope? I think I agree with you there. What is interesting is that there have STILL been chances to fix the problem but nothing has been done over the years.... The career possibilities post 9/11 is the main reason RAH has senior pilots. There have been few places to go to with much security. SWA has had tons of applicants and could afford to be picky. UAL has furloughed a few times sending guys back to RAH, albeit with a HUGE seniority loss (some went back 2x). NWA-DAL will have new guys with a slim chance of seeing the left seat of anything. F9 is where it is today so if a RAH guy went he could go back (with a huge loss of seniority perhaps and worried about swinging gear there a second time).....