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Old 08-08-2009 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
In all fairness that's essentially because a number of hard-won major airline contracts were turned into regional contracts in BK......

DING DING DING DING DING.... we have a winner....

EagleFly... you listening ?
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Old 08-08-2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
I can not believe you are defending the regional industry ?

you do work for one... correct?

Yep, some majors have a "few" short overnights... and if you take a look at their schedules, you will likely see the next morning flights going out late... you regional guys will bite the bullet and show with only 8 hours cockpit to cockpit....

I'd be willing to bet that at major carriers, a pilot has more to lose by accepting a POS aircraft than by writing it up and getting it fixed. Their duty rig, or trip rig will cover them while they get it fixed like they are supposed to... oh wait... you don't have those either....

Sit's... sure, majors have them... they also have trip & duty rigs.... see above.

When every single hour of pay is needed just to put food on your table like most regional pilots living hand to mouth, it is much more difficult to pull the fatigue rip chord... you can deny it, but it's true.

Oh, and you are correct..... 90% of the problems ARE at regionals.
Eaglefly does work for a major airline. The difference is that it has regional compensation.
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Old 08-08-2009 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
Eaglefly does work for a major airline. The difference is that it has regional compensation.

OMG.... YHGTBSM. the problem with your statement was the second sentence.... when he has to "qualify" his reasoning, then it isn't true.
That is like comparing the Chief of Police in New York City to the Chief of Police in small town USA... hey, they are BOTH Chief's right? Come on guys, have we lowered ourselves to this? Eagle, Comair, and Republic are no more Major Airlines than a Cessna 172 is an Airbus A380...


Sure, there are a few regionals with larger pilot groups, and more aircraft than a few major airlines.... but if calling himself a major makes him feel any better, feel free. Everybody else knows what a reagional carrier is, except him apparently.
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Old 08-08-2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
OMG.... YHGTBSM. the problem with your statement was the second sentence.... when he has to "qualify" his reasoning, then it isn't true.
That is like comparing the Chief of Police in New York City to the Chief of Police in small town USA... hey, they are BOTH Chief's right? Come on guys, have we lowered ourselves to this? Eagle, Comair, and Republic are no more Major Airlines than a Cessna 172 is an Airbus A380...


Sure, there are a few regionals with larger pilot groups, and more aircraft than a few major airlines.... but if calling himself a major makes him feel any better, feel free. Everybody else knows what a reagional carrier is, except him apparently.

I dont think he is the only one. Check up to the right and click on "airline profiles" continue and click on "Major-National-LCC" and see what you find there..........

Also check with the FAA and ask what Airlines in the US they consider as Majors..........

You will clearly be surprised
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Old 08-08-2009 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
I dont think he is the only one. Check up to the right and click on "airline profiles" continue and click on "Major-National-LCC" and see what you find there..........

Also check with the FAA and ask what Airlines in the US they consider as Majors..........

You will clearly be surprised
Just because I didn't print the entire list that APC lists as a major airline doesn't change anything.... they also comingle LCC's with others too... big deal. The point is he seems to think he works at a major airline, and not just a very very large regional airline. Next he'll compare Eagle with JetBlue since they are both listed in the same section... come on guys.

I think I saw a US Senate hearing the other day with the CEO of EagleFly's airline sitting there.... he certainly wasn't there representing the major airline they subcontract with... they are regional carriers working as subcontractors for mainline airlines; period.
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Old 08-08-2009 | 07:17 PM
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Using the labels major-national-regional in the most correct sense refers only to airline operating revenues. It certainly has no bearing on what those airlines do or where they fly (ie SWA, a major, does "national routes", as does nearly every "regional" these days; actually SWA flies more properly "regional" routes than many regionals!). The terms mainline-LCC-subcontractor make more sense. Until you get to RAH & YX; who is who in that unholy arrangement?
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Old 08-08-2009 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Just because I didn't print the entire list that APC lists as a major airline doesn't change anything.... they also comingle LCC's with others too... big deal. The point is he seems to think he works at a major airline, and not just a very very large regional airline. Next he'll compare Eagle with JetBlue since they are both listed in the same section... come on guys.

I think I saw a US Senate hearing the other day with the CEO of EagleFly's airline sitting there.... he certainly wasn't there representing the major airline they subcontract with... they are regional carriers working as subcontractors for mainline airlines; period.
Mason, I'm not liking this recent trend of my agreeing with everything you say. You need to stop spewing logic and sense.
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Old 08-09-2009 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
I can not believe you are defending the regional industry ?

you do work for one... correct?

Yep, some majors have a "few" short overnights... and if you take a look at their schedules, you will likely see the next morning flights going out late... you regional guys will bite the bullet and show with only 8 hours cockpit to cockpit....

I'd be willing to bet that at major carriers, a pilot has more to lose by accepting a POS aircraft than by writing it up and getting it fixed. Their duty rig, or trip rig will cover them while they get it fixed like they are supposed to... oh wait... you don't have those either....

Sit's... sure, majors have them... they also have trip & duty rigs.... see above.

When every single hour of pay is needed just to put food on your table like most regional pilots living hand to mouth, it is much more difficult to pull the fatigue rip chord... you can deny it, but it's true.

Oh, and you are correct..... 90% of the problems ARE at regionals.
Another example of sweeping generalizations to feed your hated for regionals....................more senseless noise.

Knock yourself out.
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Old 08-09-2009 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
DING DING DING DING DING.... we have a winner....

EagleFly... you listening ?
To you ?

Never.......it's always the same.

Last edited by eaglefly; 08-09-2009 at 07:53 AM.
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Old 08-09-2009 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
Eaglefly does work for a major airline. The difference is that it has regional compensation.
For many it does.

It would be great to have 75K F/O's and 150K captains on 70-seat jets............but then again, you'd still complain and demand our death. You don't WANT to improve regionals to become "respectable" in compensation, you want their elimination so you can reap the rewards.

Are you listening Mason ?

The problem ISN'T the RJ in and of itself. The problem was how the unions (ALPA and the APA) and pilots at the majors handled..........er, shall I say FAILED to handle it. Instead of demanding close control and a tight relationship with those pilots that would operate them, they chose the policy of EXCLUSION and now it's come home to bite them. In fact, for example STILL the APA is maintaining that course by seeking to capture ALL flying Eagle does, even that flying they NEVER did !

What becomes of the pilots who built this carrier for the last 20 years, they couldn't care less, it's strictly a conquer mentality as if we as pilots don't exist.

Incredible.............but, predictable.

Several years ago, we saw this hopeless course and attempted to engage the APA positively for the benefit of both groups. As in the past, a facade of cordial interest and cooperation was presented even culminating in public billboards to show a new era. Then, documentation was revealed that at the very same time, the leadership of the APA was schemeing behind our backs to attempt to strip our 70-seat jets from us in secret without our knowledge.

We retreated with the olive branch we brought over firmly planted in our backs, vowing to always remember the lesson.

It IS interesting you label us a "major airline" when it suits you. Most of your other posts repeatedly refer to us as "commuter pilots". Heck we rarely even rise to the semi-respectable title of "regioanl pilots" in your diatribes and now all of a sudden I'm a major airline pilot.

Amazing.

Will we still be a "major airline" if it ever came down to merging our seniority lists (highly unliklely) ?

I'll bet not. Well be right back to commuter pilots again, worthy of nothing but what scraps you and your union cronies are willing to grant us.

You're just like Mason and just as much a part of the problem as ALPA and the APA. The solution is a MENTALITY CHANGE and not the "eradication" of an entire segment of the transportation system that cannot and I'm afraid, WILL not disappear as much as many would like it to. As long as the "hostile attack" method is embraced, you can only expect conflict, defense and minimal if any results.
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