Major liability for regional mistakes
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Just because I didn't print the entire list that APC lists as a major airline doesn't change anything.... they also comingle LCC's with others too... big deal. The point is he seems to think he works at a major airline, and not just a very very large regional airline. Next he'll compare Eagle with JetBlue since they are both listed in the same section... come on guys.
I think I saw a US Senate hearing the other day with the CEO of EagleFly's airline sitting there.... he certainly wasn't there representing the major airline they subcontract with... they are regional carriers working as subcontractors for mainline airlines; period.
I think I saw a US Senate hearing the other day with the CEO of EagleFly's airline sitting there.... he certainly wasn't there representing the major airline they subcontract with... they are regional carriers working as subcontractors for mainline airlines; period.
Of course we would. We'll ALWAYS be the "unwashed" in your eyes with eradication and execution the only worthy course.
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OMG.... YHGTBSM. the problem with your statement was the second sentence.... when he has to "qualify" his reasoning, then it isn't true.
That is like comparing the Chief of Police in New York City to the Chief of Police in small town USA... hey, they are BOTH Chief's right? Come on guys, have we lowered ourselves to this? Eagle, Comair, and Republic are no more Major Airlines than a Cessna 172 is an Airbus A380...
Sure, there are a few regionals with larger pilot groups, and more aircraft than a few major airlines.... but if calling himself a major makes him feel any better, feel free. Everybody else knows what a reagional carrier is, except him apparently.
That is like comparing the Chief of Police in New York City to the Chief of Police in small town USA... hey, they are BOTH Chief's right? Come on guys, have we lowered ourselves to this? Eagle, Comair, and Republic are no more Major Airlines than a Cessna 172 is an Airbus A380...
Sure, there are a few regionals with larger pilot groups, and more aircraft than a few major airlines.... but if calling himself a major makes him feel any better, feel free. Everybody else knows what a reagional carrier is, except him apparently.
Here SOMEONE ELSE makes the statement that I'm a "mjaor airline" pilot and you turn it into an attack on me as if I said it. Please, SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THIS....................EVER.
Man, you REALLY got some emotional issues going.
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Airline laments hiring of Flight 3407 pilot : Home: The Buffalo News airline laments hiring of regional pilot.
I want to point out a very interesting point in this article:
"But the executives withheld judgment on a new proposal by Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., that would make major airlines legally responsible for crashes by the regional airlines they hire to run their smaller routes."
I think there is alot of merit in this comment. I strongly agree with Senator Johanns proposal, because it will help put an end to underbidding contracts, which is an underlying problem in the poor pay and quality of life in the regional airline industry. Majors would start awarding contracts based on more than just lowest bidder (preventing automatic awards to bottom feeders like CJC), because they now share liability.
I want to point out a very interesting point in this article:
"But the executives withheld judgment on a new proposal by Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., that would make major airlines legally responsible for crashes by the regional airlines they hire to run their smaller routes."
I think there is alot of merit in this comment. I strongly agree with Senator Johanns proposal, because it will help put an end to underbidding contracts, which is an underlying problem in the poor pay and quality of life in the regional airline industry. Majors would start awarding contracts based on more than just lowest bidder (preventing automatic awards to bottom feeders like CJC), because they now share liability.
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The may force many of the majors to either directly control their regionals or perhaps own them outright. The larger regionals will fare better then the smaller ones and those that already have a tightly controlled network will see little changes and thus less future expense.
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Me protest ?
I'm perfectly happy with where I'm at (and going) and that apparently angers others who want me not to be......................Methinks you're one of them.
After all, as one whose fingerprints are on the olive branch in our backs, it's what I'd expect you to say, just like O.J. said about the bloody gloves.
Same concept.
I'm perfectly happy with where I'm at (and going) and that apparently angers others who want me not to be......................Methinks you're one of them.
After all, as one whose fingerprints are on the olive branch in our backs, it's what I'd expect you to say, just like O.J. said about the bloody gloves.
Same concept.
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We've already been through that, with the likes of American Eagle, where AA pioneered the model whereby the major owns the regional carriers in stead of having strictly contract relationships. It does not change much from a liability standpoint, and in fact probably increases overall liability, but what it does do is force the hand of the major to create systematic oversight over the regional carrier.
Nothing much will change.
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The so-called, "single-level" of safety that is being qouted by industry and gov't leaders is one of the biggest lies in all of aviation. A product of deep-rooted corruption at the highest levels of government and industry. It truly makes me sick hearing this being cited...We must face it, our profession and industry are mere shadows of themselves.
Unless and until we get relieft from the RLA things simply will not change. Unless ALPA gets it's act together and presses for a single seniority list. Things will not change. CJC 3407 is going to go quietly into the night, and in the end real change that effects our QOL, pay and benefits is not going to happen. The slim margains, high fixed costs and per-departure fee structure of the regional/codeshare partnership doesn't allow for the funds required to effect our lives. What will effect is going to be a new and ridiculous set of rules that further errod the authorty, initiative and freedom of action that was once the Pilot-in-Command. Centralized systems are a proven failure, and it will fail in the airline industry when they start screwing around with even more burdensome regulations...
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Unless and until we get relieft from the RLA things simply will not change. Unless ALPA gets it's act together and presses for a single seniority list. Things will not change. CJC 3407 is going to go quietly into the night, and in the end real change that effects our QOL, pay and benefits is not going to happen. The slim margains, high fixed costs and per-departure fee structure of the regional/codeshare partnership doesn't allow for the funds required to effect our lives. What will effect is going to be a new and ridiculous set of rules that further errod the authorty, initiative and freedom of action that was once the Pilot-in-Command. Centralized systems are a proven failure, and it will fail in the airline industry when they start screwing around with even more burdensome regulations...
Rant complete,
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Your post went on to suggest that the CO3407 tragedy will fade away into memory eventually, and we'll get back to business as usual. I'd say you're right, except to say that, notwithstanding some hearings and some grandstanding, we have already returned to business as usual.
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