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08-20-2009 | 04:35 PM
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The plumber analogy might go something like this. I work for XYZ company and make XYZ per hours to fix toilets. You come a long with your company and say you will do the work for half price. You will use your van, but MY name on the side of your truck, use MY customers, MY call and service center, my reputation in the industry that I worked for 25 years to build. You say your boss made you do it so oh well. Do you see the relevance now.
When are WE going to stand up and do the right thing instead of making excuses of what would I do. That was my point, is it YOU against me to see who could screw each other more, or is it all of US to make aviation what it once was, a respectable place to make a living. When was the last time you walked through the terminal and most of the pilots looked at you with respect and said hello. Not bashing RAH, but what airline and what pilot group didn't screw somebody.
When are WE going to stand up and do the right thing instead of making excuses of what would I do. That was my point, is it YOU against me to see who could screw each other more, or is it all of US to make aviation what it once was, a respectable place to make a living. When was the last time you walked through the terminal and most of the pilots looked at you with respect and said hello. Not bashing RAH, but what airline and what pilot group didn't screw somebody.
08-20-2009 | 05:25 PM
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08-20-2009 | 05:35 PM
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Now talk amongst yourselves
And I thought it was DAL/NWA who were complicit in this bone job!
This was posted by a current MEH pilot on another board.
got this letter forwarded to me from a friend. It seems to be written by a UAL pilot to his MEC outlining possible outcomes of BB's most recent aquisitions a few weeks ago. Then again it might just be another x-file for world domination.
Subject: Resolution & Republic Airways Holdings
I wanted to see if anything came of my resolution for half time line flying, especially since the flight attendants now have 'partnerships' with benefits. Same thing, different name.
Also, I wanted to address this Republic Airways Holdings maneuver that is going on now:
I took a jet for jobs position with Chautauqua during the last furlough. I was working there while they were starting the 170 operation. It took them extensive time, money and effort to try and get the Republic operating certificate up and running, but, during that time, they were able to buy the dying certificate of Shuttle America and morph it into the United 170 operation very quickly and cheaply. Bryan Bedford, Republic Airways Holdings CEO, learned very quickly that buying a dying certificate was much cheaper and faster to start an airline than building one from the ground up.
Last year I was jumpseating one of Shuttle America's planes. The captain was very senior and one I had flown with. He asked me if I had heard about the company's plan to start a 90 seat carrier. I said no and that none of the major carriers had given up scope for that. He said 'no, they plan on joining it with the Star Alliance." I immediately shut up and went home to research their SEC filings for 190s. There were none at the time.
This last month I have watched carefully while Republic has purchased Midwest Express and has already expressed intent to eliminate the Boeings and replace them with 190s. In addition, they have bid on Frontier and will most likely get outbid by SWA. This is purely a defensive purchase by SWA to prevent Republic from being able to start a national low-cost carrier virtually ovemight by buying existing certificates. It is my understanding that Republic also bid on AirTran. If they had succeeded, they would have started a low-cost carrier in a couple of months with hubs in Denver, Atlanta and (Milwaukee) soon to be our B gates in Chicago.
The plan to start a 90+ seat low-cost carrier that joins the Star Alliance is crystal clear to me now. Continental, United and USAirways are all complicit in this. They have been working with Bryan Bedford for years on the execution of this plan. CAL and UAL eliminated their 737 fleets because they intend to replace this flying with the soon-to-be Star Alliance partner of Midwest Express. A USAirways pilot told me 2 days ago that the unannounced rumor is that USAir intends to eliminate their 190 fleet starting in January. Just a year ago USAir said this was their most profitable fleet. Perfect timing for Midwest Express 190s to be up and running!
Republic Airways Holdings and "investors" would not have made such a bold financial move if they were not assured of success. CAL and UAL would not have already eliminated their feeder fleets if they were not assured of success. Continental, United, USAirways and Republic Airways Holding are sure to have been lobbying Washington hard over to past years to set this up for success.
This was posted by a current MEH pilot on another board.
got this letter forwarded to me from a friend. It seems to be written by a UAL pilot to his MEC outlining possible outcomes of BB's most recent aquisitions a few weeks ago. Then again it might just be another x-file for world domination.
Subject: Resolution & Republic Airways Holdings
I wanted to see if anything came of my resolution for half time line flying, especially since the flight attendants now have 'partnerships' with benefits. Same thing, different name.
Also, I wanted to address this Republic Airways Holdings maneuver that is going on now:
I took a jet for jobs position with Chautauqua during the last furlough. I was working there while they were starting the 170 operation. It took them extensive time, money and effort to try and get the Republic operating certificate up and running, but, during that time, they were able to buy the dying certificate of Shuttle America and morph it into the United 170 operation very quickly and cheaply. Bryan Bedford, Republic Airways Holdings CEO, learned very quickly that buying a dying certificate was much cheaper and faster to start an airline than building one from the ground up.
Last year I was jumpseating one of Shuttle America's planes. The captain was very senior and one I had flown with. He asked me if I had heard about the company's plan to start a 90 seat carrier. I said no and that none of the major carriers had given up scope for that. He said 'no, they plan on joining it with the Star Alliance." I immediately shut up and went home to research their SEC filings for 190s. There were none at the time.
This last month I have watched carefully while Republic has purchased Midwest Express and has already expressed intent to eliminate the Boeings and replace them with 190s. In addition, they have bid on Frontier and will most likely get outbid by SWA. This is purely a defensive purchase by SWA to prevent Republic from being able to start a national low-cost carrier virtually ovemight by buying existing certificates. It is my understanding that Republic also bid on AirTran. If they had succeeded, they would have started a low-cost carrier in a couple of months with hubs in Denver, Atlanta and (Milwaukee) soon to be our B gates in Chicago.
The plan to start a 90+ seat low-cost carrier that joins the Star Alliance is crystal clear to me now. Continental, United and USAirways are all complicit in this. They have been working with Bryan Bedford for years on the execution of this plan. CAL and UAL eliminated their 737 fleets because they intend to replace this flying with the soon-to-be Star Alliance partner of Midwest Express. A USAirways pilot told me 2 days ago that the unannounced rumor is that USAir intends to eliminate their 190 fleet starting in January. Just a year ago USAir said this was their most profitable fleet. Perfect timing for Midwest Express 190s to be up and running!
Republic Airways Holdings and "investors" would not have made such a bold financial move if they were not assured of success. CAL and UAL would not have already eliminated their feeder fleets if they were not assured of success. Continental, United, USAirways and Republic Airways Holding are sure to have been lobbying Washington hard over to past years to set this up for success.
08-20-2009 | 05:35 PM
#104
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[quote=MachJ;665663]RAH, like most other regionals, hasn't hired in over a year and 1/2. Give your analogies credence by not exaggerating.[/quo
True! There are plenty of FO's at YX that have the same time and experience as FO's at republic. It is a fact! When I was hired at republic the mins were 1500-100. Many CA's at Skyway were being hired to Midwest with the same experience as many of the CA's from Mesa and others that left to join RAH for a better career.
True! There are plenty of FO's at YX that have the same time and experience as FO's at republic. It is a fact! When I was hired at republic the mins were 1500-100. Many CA's at Skyway were being hired to Midwest with the same experience as many of the CA's from Mesa and others that left to join RAH for a better career.
08-20-2009 | 05:37 PM
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Talk amongst yourselves cont.
Continued from previous:
I do not have to explain the dangers of this to you on many different levels. Clearly they do not need scope relief. They intend to just take it. They showed their hand to me with the intent to purchase Frontier. They just intend to work out the kinks with the 190s and then replace all the Airbus flying in the future as well. Glenn Tilton fully expects, and will get the elimination of all domestic flying at United Airlines using this operation. You can plan on it!
I really see no way of stopping this unless the pilots of CAL, UAL, USAirway and ALPA take a stand on this. ALPA must work on stopping Midwest Express (or its future name and form) from joining the Star Alliance. These carriers are working together because with the Star Alliance set up in this way they effective take all the wind out of the union sails! If anyone of these carriers ever threatens a strike, the other carriers can pick up the slack by rerouting the tickets through the Star Alliance. In addition, they will easily and effectively outsource all of this flying to cheaper labor. I cannot believe they are going to succeed in this way with a DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY!
Please, Eric, just let me know that our union has already figured this out or is aware of the plan. If we move forward with our heads in the sand they will run all 3 carriers over. SWA just thought outside the box with their blocking purchase of Frontier. Maybe our unions should have thought outside the box and purchased Midwest Express (it was sooooo cheap). We need to outmaneuver them by preventing growth or by blocking this in DC. Hell, get competing carriers like SWA and Delta to use their clout in DC to stop the Star Alliance. At this point, I don't give a (expletive deleted)
Just an additional point I thought of while pulling weeds ... Republic Airways Holdings has been spending 10s of millions of dollars to float the Frontier and Midwest Express certificates for the better part of a year. Republic could have made an attempt to purchase them at any time in that time frame without spending all that money. It was not until CAL was approved to join the Star Alliance that Republic moved forward with their attempt to purchase Midwest and Frontier. Almost immediately in
fact. They had to make sure all the pieces were in place before the final piece of the puzzle was added. Without CAL they would not have had appropriate international coverage in the event of a strike by UAL. Glenn Tilton is the mastermind. This is why his board is so patient with him in downsizing and losing money ...there is a higher goal. They know in the end the
domestic flying will be covered by the new Star Alliance partner. It also makes the recent announcement that UAL wants to replace only its international fleet valid.
Watch this one! If they get Frontier and then make another play for AirTran, DAL will have the combination of UAL, CAL, 'USAir, and the new low-cost AirTran morph thing as a unified carrier operating out of ATL. DAL mgmt should put the spank on this one!
I do not have to explain the dangers of this to you on many different levels. Clearly they do not need scope relief. They intend to just take it. They showed their hand to me with the intent to purchase Frontier. They just intend to work out the kinks with the 190s and then replace all the Airbus flying in the future as well. Glenn Tilton fully expects, and will get the elimination of all domestic flying at United Airlines using this operation. You can plan on it!
I really see no way of stopping this unless the pilots of CAL, UAL, USAirway and ALPA take a stand on this. ALPA must work on stopping Midwest Express (or its future name and form) from joining the Star Alliance. These carriers are working together because with the Star Alliance set up in this way they effective take all the wind out of the union sails! If anyone of these carriers ever threatens a strike, the other carriers can pick up the slack by rerouting the tickets through the Star Alliance. In addition, they will easily and effectively outsource all of this flying to cheaper labor. I cannot believe they are going to succeed in this way with a DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY!
Please, Eric, just let me know that our union has already figured this out or is aware of the plan. If we move forward with our heads in the sand they will run all 3 carriers over. SWA just thought outside the box with their blocking purchase of Frontier. Maybe our unions should have thought outside the box and purchased Midwest Express (it was sooooo cheap). We need to outmaneuver them by preventing growth or by blocking this in DC. Hell, get competing carriers like SWA and Delta to use their clout in DC to stop the Star Alliance. At this point, I don't give a (expletive deleted)
Just an additional point I thought of while pulling weeds ... Republic Airways Holdings has been spending 10s of millions of dollars to float the Frontier and Midwest Express certificates for the better part of a year. Republic could have made an attempt to purchase them at any time in that time frame without spending all that money. It was not until CAL was approved to join the Star Alliance that Republic moved forward with their attempt to purchase Midwest and Frontier. Almost immediately in
fact. They had to make sure all the pieces were in place before the final piece of the puzzle was added. Without CAL they would not have had appropriate international coverage in the event of a strike by UAL. Glenn Tilton is the mastermind. This is why his board is so patient with him in downsizing and losing money ...there is a higher goal. They know in the end the
domestic flying will be covered by the new Star Alliance partner. It also makes the recent announcement that UAL wants to replace only its international fleet valid.
Watch this one! If they get Frontier and then make another play for AirTran, DAL will have the combination of UAL, CAL, 'USAir, and the new low-cost AirTran morph thing as a unified carrier operating out of ATL. DAL mgmt should put the spank on this one!
08-20-2009 | 05:37 PM
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Credence, you mean like a fo being hired from ATP with 250 hours a year and 1/2 ago, and after 8 months of employment, furloughed and still on furlough at RAH. You mean like that!
08-20-2009 | 06:46 PM
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Uhmmm, no, the passengers will not continue flying on "mainline household names". They will be flying on a far inferior product serviced by individuals making far inferior wages in an airplane that simply has the painted name of a once great airline sprawled along its fuselage. That creates a huge difference in the product. In my eyes, Midwest is dead, because those that made it such a great airline are no longer working there......
But hey, good luck with your dream. Just remember, the harder they come, the harder they fall.
But hey, good luck with your dream. Just remember, the harder they come, the harder they fall.
08-20-2009 | 07:47 PM
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very few if any pilots were hired here with that much time. the lowest time pilots are from mesa or trans states. the lowest published times for hiring were 1000 and 100
08-21-2009 | 04:41 AM
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08-21-2009 | 05:43 AM
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ATP Flight School: Republic Airways Airline Pilot Hiring Partnership RAH airlines is on the list with MANY of your pilots who graduated from ATP. I however did make a mistake, the mins are 500 total with 100 multi. It looks like a little more on the list than "very few". I'm trying not to bash RAH, just state the facts, and you guys are very defensive. You guys seem to think as I posted it is OK to screw a 15 YX CA with a 1000 hour fo. Than you wonder why you are not getting the respect you deserve. Did you see Midwest or Frontier on the list. Midwest mins for hire use to be 5000 total time. Nobody was hired at YX with 1500 hours as somebody posted.
WOW!
Didn't even know about the ATP hiring at Republic. Got my first commuter job after years as a CFI with a ATP and like 2300TT.
Didn't have the money.
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