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Old 08-22-2009 | 01:11 PM
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I agree. We need to work together because BB and TPG will try to divide us.
Did I miss something? TPG is no longer in the picture, right?
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Old 08-22-2009 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
Did I miss something? TPG is no longer in the picture, right?

TPG is here ....

Item 5.02. Departure of Directors or Certain Officers; Election of Directors; Appointment of Certain Officers’ Compensatory Arrangements of Certain Officers.


Upon consummation of the Merger and pursuant to the Investment Agreement, on July 31, 2009, the Board of Directors of the Company voted to increase its size from five to six members and appointed Richard P. Schifter, a managing partner at TPG, to the Board of Directors of the Company. The Board of Directors did not appoint Mr. Schifter to serve on any of its committees.


As of the date of this report, neither Mr. Schifter nor any of his immediate family members is a party, either directly or indirectly, to any transaction that would be required to be reported pursuant to Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K.


Mr. Schifter will be compensated consistent with the compensation programs for non-employee directors of the Company. Following his appointment to the Board, he was automatically granted an option to purchase 10,000 shares of the Company’s common stock pursuant to the Company’s 2007 Equity Incentive Plan.
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Old 08-22-2009 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
This is why integrating the Midwest Pilots quickly is so important. They cannot even bid the equipment until they are on the list. There should be enough flying coming that will enable a Midwest pilot to hold MKE on the 190 if so desired. But if we block off the 190's for them we also block off the rest of the system to them, that would be only fair and equitable. Point being if a guy commuting from Philly is stuck in the right seat anyway why not take one close to home. I don't believe you are going to to see a pay difference between 170's and 190's. There maybe something in the works to split it below but I still see the company fighting for one FO pay scale, it will definitely be better though.
Enough for all 400? Duck says the 717 is going away and seems happy about it. Why are RAH pilots happy or content that the second highest paying airplane out off all three fleets is going away to the cheapest?

Will the Teamsters pledge that they want Midwest+ pay rates and work rules for the 190?
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Old 08-22-2009 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
Enough for all 400? Duck says the 717 is going away and seems happy about it. Why are RAH pilots happy or content that the second highest paying airplane out off all three fleets is going away to the cheapest?

Will the Teamsters pledge that they want Midwest+ pay rates and work rules for the 190?
Enough for all 400? 38 frames opens a lot of seats. Enough for anyone that has a job. Our Furloughs come back first, they are no less important then our brothers and sisters from the old Midwest.

Where do you get this, "will the Teamsters" crap. The answer is no, the contract is as it stands until we get it renegotiated and renewed, deal with it. Are we fighting for more, AGAIN and for the Ten Millionth time YES! God this is boring!

No one is happy that a airline with an unsustainable business model has failed. The 717 is going away, done! I know Duck and I am certain he is not happy about it. Personally I'd have rather they kept the 717 put the seats back in it make it profitable and keep it on line. But that is something you me or the Duck have no control of now isn't it. So stop crying about the spilt milk, man up and offer something constructive or go back to playing flight simulator, the adults are trying to talk.
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Old 08-22-2009 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
TPG is here ....

Item 5.02. Departure of Directors or Certain Officers; Election of Directors; Appointment of Certain Officers’ Compensatory Arrangements of Certain Officers.


Upon consummation of the Merger and pursuant to the Investment Agreement, on July 31, 2009, the Board of Directors of the Company voted to increase its size from five to six members and appointed Richard P. Schifter, a managing partner at TPG, to the Board of Directors of the Company. The Board of Directors did not appoint Mr. Schifter to serve on any of its committees.


As of the date of this report, neither Mr. Schifter nor any of his immediate family members is a party, either directly or indirectly, to any transaction that would be required to be reported pursuant to Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K.


Mr. Schifter will be compensated consistent with the compensation programs for non-employee directors of the Company. Following his appointment to the Board, he was automatically granted an option to purchase 10,000 shares of the Company’s common stock pursuant to the Company’s 2007 Equity Incentive Plan.
Thanks 80, I read it but I don't completely understand the impact TPG may have on things. I still think there is much more to the story and we are deeper in bed with Delta than anyone grasps.
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Old 08-22-2009 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
Enough for all 400? Duck says the 717 is going away and seems happy about it. Why are RAH pilots happy or content that the second highest paying airplane out off all three fleets is going away to the cheapest?

Will the Teamsters pledge that they want Midwest+ pay rates and work rules for the 190?
Oh does he? It's fact not opinion. The 717s are going away. This was decided on before RAH ever entered the picture by Boeing after Midwest tried to lower the rates on the leases. Stop running around pointing fingers at everyone saying they're happy about it. Be a little realistic.
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Old 08-22-2009 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Oh does he? It's fact not opinion. The 717s are going away. This was decided on before RAH ever entered the picture by Boeing after Midwest tried to lower the rates on the leases. Stop running around pointing fingers at everyone saying they're happy about it. Be a little realistic.
Just let it go. In reality all we are doing on these boards is creating bad blood when we have no control over the situation. Whats the point of these internet ***** fests besides dividing our two groups before we even share a cockpit or a seniority list??? MD80, Bearz, any other MidEx guys or gals, Im sure you are all great guys and I really feel for your group. It hasn't been fair for you guys and I hope no one else has to go through what you guys have in the last couple years. Hopefully we can share a beer and shoot the **** at some point down the road and look back on this and be in a better situation than we are in today.

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Old 08-22-2009 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
Thanks 80, I read it but I don't completely understand the impact TPG may have on things. I still think there is much more to the story and we are deeper in bed with Delta than anyone grasps.

I agree 100%... Delta is in this deal.

One thing I have read you guys talk about is that BB says he will sell 51% of Frontier if Republic pilots don't agree to a separate Frontier pilot group. TPG could be the financing to separate Frontier and still let BB run the operation.

No matter how is goes we cannot agree to anything but...

One Seniority List

Who knows, maybe Frontier is next in line for the "TPG Effect".

1. Sell or return aircraft
2. Bring in Republic E170/E190 under code-share agreements
3. Furlough the higher paid pilot group

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Old 08-22-2009 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MD80
I agree 100%... Delta is in this deal
No doubt after they signed a one way codeshare agreement with Midwest prior to their purchase.
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Old 08-22-2009 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
Enough for all 400? 38 frames opens a lot of seats. Enough for anyone that has a job. Our Furloughs come back first, they are no less important then our brothers and sisters from the old Midwest.

Where do you get this, "will the Teamsters" crap. The answer is no, the contract is as it stands until we get it renegotiated and renewed, deal with it. Are we fighting for more, AGAIN and for the Ten Millionth time YES! God this is boring!

No one is happy that a airline with an unsustainable business model has failed. The 717 is going away, done! I know Duck and I am certain he is not happy about it. Personally I'd have rather they kept the 717 put the seats back in it make it profitable and keep it on line. But that is something you me or the Duck have no control of now isn't it. So stop crying about the spilt milk, man up and offer something constructive or go back to playing flight simulator, the adults are trying to talk.
haha

Adults? haha

You speak that which you do not know. "Unsustainable business model"? For 23 years it was not in bankruptcy before Tim sold out to TPG who sucked everything they could out of it. The business model was sustainable. Led by those enablers who allow bedford to push them to take higher paying jobs away while whining about "its management not the pilots".

I guess you do enjoy being the cheap labor variant. Swelling with pride like an original AA B scaler.
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