Rickair - care to reply to my previous post? (#11) Just curious how you came to your conclusions?

 

So you suggest we NOT integrate YX pilots and let them all hit the streets and take a 100% paycut? Is that supportive?

The RAH pilot group can only do so much. We can:

1. Bring Midwest pilots onto our list
2. Negotiate pay rates that approximate those Midwest enjoyed in the past.

Step one is happening now. Step two is happening now. Step one will be completed sooner than step two.

Once on the RAH seniority list, Midwest pilots will have the opportunity to bid over to the Frontier Airbus as allowed by the F9/RAH integration (to be determined). Midwest pilots will have a chance to restore their pay and careers. Did TWA pilots have that? Are AA pilots "virtual scabs"?

Just remember, every fence and advantage you wish upon the F9 pilots will be an obstacle for YX pilots who are trying to restore their pay. The new 190 will have a higher payrate than currently included in the RAH contract, but it will not be the old 717 rate this time around. I hope and will vote otherwise, but the most likely outcome is captain pay in the $110-$120 range. The bigger focus will be on FO pay. YX pilots will not recover their pay for the next 5 or so years UNLESS they have access to the Airbus. Still want fences?

 

Step two will never happen. The whole reason this deal happened was BECAUSE of cheap labor provided by RAH. Why would they bring back the old pay rates back, so they can be unprofitable again? Come on, seriously.

 

I'm brought to tears that you are willing to do what the law is forcing you to do. In fact you aren't doing it. Your embarassment to the profession of a union has given the middle finger to the YX MEC. It's been almost a year and not one sign of support from your group. Things like this don't happen by accident. It's a sign of the morality of the group. The ultimate sign of your groups integrity is what happened to your union leadership and said union is still your representative. Christ the AirTran pilots had their old union bring them a crappy TA and they threw them out.

 

This is getting a little ridiculous... The "virtual scabs" comment is WAY out of line... Don't get me wrong, I'm all for calling a d-bag a d-bag... (cough... gojets)... But not one of the RAH pilots got hired there thinking "Hey, let's go buy and gut some major carriers and fly their airplanes for half the pay!!!" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they took a vote amongst the pilots to find out if they WANTED to buy YX/F9...

Give the guys a freakin' break... Ignore the idiots who want everybody stapled below them... (Every airline has that few percentage points of idiots/dbags...) How about we wait 'till the RAH pilots get to VOTE on something and make a CHOICE before we condemn them for the actions of their management??

The situation sucks, for all of us. But out of all the people who are at fault, the pilots aren't...

 

I agree but is it too much to ask for a single letter to the YX MEC in a years time in support. How about more than 1-2 pilots walking picket lines with the YX pilots. There were more Compass pilots supporting us than Republic. How about a letter to your SLT about your concerns with these moves. The truth is the teamsters are in support of the cult leaders moves. Why would I believe this. There isn't any evidence to disprove it.

 

I hear "only rumor" your MEC is not talking this graciously about the Midwest pilots. I would love to think the Republic membership can be this professional.

Actions speak louder than words.

Let's see the Republic MEC take one action supporting the Midwest pilots. Haven't seen one yet and its been almost a years.



ps... Do you guy even have a pilot MEC president after the events of the last year?

 

ps... Do you guy even have a pilot MEC president after the events of the last year?[/QUOTE]

To be perfectly honest, I don't know exactly what an MEC is. Titles run a little different at Teamsters. Our Local 747 President (the one who got run out of town) never was a pilot. Right now we have trustee positions (a temporary leadership position), at least one of which is occupied by a career pilot (retired).

We have an EXCO (executive counsel), which is comprised strictly of pilots.

One of our major problems is that our EXCO and negotiating committe is comprised strictly of line pilots who recieve flight loss pay. Our former Local president plundered the flight loss pay fund, and left us seriously in debt. It is difficult to come up with the money to send our guys to three seniority integrations, section 6 negotiations, court hearings regarding our former president, and take care of daily union business. We are strapped for resources. Sorry that you guys are losing out. Welcome to our world of the past 10 years.

 

To be perfectly honest, I don't know exactly what an MEC is. Titles run a little different at Teamsters. Our Local 747 President (the one who got run out of town) never was a pilot. Right now we have trustee positions (a temporary leadership position), at least one of which is occupied by a career pilot (retired).

We have an EXCO (executive counsel), which is comprised strictly of pilots.

One of our major problems is that our EXCO and negotiating committe is comprised strictly of line pilots who recieve flight loss pay. Our former Local president plundered the flight loss pay fund, and left us seriously in debt. It is difficult to come up with the money to send our guys to three seniority integrations, section 6 negotiations, court hearings regarding our former president, and take care of daily union business. We are strapped for resources. Sorry that you guys are losing out. Welcome to our world of the past 10 years.[/quote]

Why isn't Teamsters national or what ever it is above the Local supporting you? Even ALPA is providing financial support for the YX pilots and they are getting less and less from us as far as dues go. (soon to be none)
If this is what we have to look forward to, maybe it's time for a new union.

 

Do you think?