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Live in base
80
41.88%
have a crashpad
63
32.98%
sleep in the crewlounge
48
25.13%
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08-30-2009 | 01:12 PM
#11
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I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that.
If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life.
I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with.
Wake up, people. Wake the hell up.
(P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.)
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that.
If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life.
I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with.
Wake up, people. Wake the hell up.
(P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.)
08-30-2009 | 01:18 PM
#12
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Joined: Mar 2009
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I have thought of this before, and I have always wondered why airlines don't get into the hotel business. I mean they spend millions each year, why not start some type of crew quarters like has been mentioned.
#2 would get my vote.
For me, I would actually like to stay at the airport on overnights provided:
There are shuttles (or crew cars) provided by the company to downtown or other areas of interest.
Per Diem is raised.
Company chef provided. Just kidding, sort of.
#2 would get my vote.
For me, I would actually like to stay at the airport on overnights provided:
There are shuttles (or crew cars) provided by the company to downtown or other areas of interest.
Per Diem is raised.
Company chef provided. Just kidding, sort of.
08-30-2009 | 02:02 PM
#13
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Joined: Oct 2008
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From: none ya...
I really do NOT understand why, with the conditions offered by Regionals, crewmembers don't take advantage of overseas possibilities. Can they really be worse than what's now on offer in the States? 3 times salaries on offer here, tax-free (both local and US), housing-schooling for kids provided, no commute, better days-off, good travel benefits...why fight these battles with management, when much better terms are on offer elseware? For a "future", which we all know doesn't exist? Answers, please!
1) I dont have any more thousands to pee upwind converting all my certs
2) I dont have 1500 PIC TURBOJET/Space Shuttle time, Nor am I typed or current on a SCAirbus or Boingy so they wont touch me.
Other than that I would have no problem going to work overseas, Heck my wife has even said she'll come with me...
Point is you make it sound like a no brainer that if you are willing to go overseas one of those contract jobs are a cake walk to get....not really
Last edited by TPROP4ever; 08-30-2009 at 03:28 PM.
08-30-2009 | 03:47 PM
#14
What's A Weekend?
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 803
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From: Big...So Big
I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that.
If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life.
I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with.
Wake up, people. Wake the hell up.
(P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.)
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that.
If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life.
I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with.
Wake up, people. Wake the hell up.
(P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.)
08-30-2009 | 06:26 PM
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i was trying to suggest an option where you get in late, and have the early flight out... even if you can afford a $100/night JFK hotel... the hassle and time it takes to get out to the hotel is worth giving up free HBO...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head...
08-30-2009 | 07:33 PM
#17
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i was trying to suggest an option where you get in late, and have the early flight out... even if you can afford a $100/night JFK hotel... the hassle and time it takes to get out to the hotel is worth giving up free HBO...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head...
08-30-2009 | 07:40 PM
#18
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,454
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From: A320 FO
08-30-2009 | 07:45 PM
#19
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From: A320 FO
08-30-2009 | 07:53 PM
#20
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,196
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From: Legacy FO
If I were a commuter, this would be the best idea ever. There are even times when doing 2 day back to backs (or other combinations of late release, early show) where it would make sense. I think its a great idea. I have often wondered why they don't do this already. If I recall, I saw a usa today article about a large airport doing this for passengers (heathrow maybe?) where they could rent a small room by the hour. That made me wonder why they don't have this for pilots.
Seriously, crustacean said it better then I could have. You guys took these jobs with lofty dreams of upgrading in 3 years. You have no one to blame but yourself. Now you are looking for ideas from everyone else to help better your situation.
The pilots of Colgan 3407 made some terrible mistakes before they even got into that airplane. Being tired didn't cause them to crash. Their lack of being a professional did. They should not have flown that flight if they were fatigued. Period.
Yes, the pay and work rules suck. If you don't like them, or if you don't think you can live on the wages they pay, in the base they want you at, and be able to show up to work well rested, then DON'T work for that company. Otherwise, you're putting yourself at risk.
If the word would get out about how crummy it is to work for these companies, then just maybe, the pay and work rules would get better. But that isn't going to happen when someone is just itchin' to take your place.
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