Well, we never had furloughed pilots before. Why waste negotiating capital on something that may never be used? We didn't have flight benefits until recently, as far as the history of ASA... I'm sure back then they never considered furloughing pilots.

That being said, in the next contract I'm sure it will be something to go for, but that's no consolation for you.

 

Does it bring back the Furloughed guys... if it has growth in it then the 156 guys on the street should be happy with this news or is it going to JA @150% ? If your source is correct then that should be great news for the guys and gals on the street.

 

Explain how that's going to happen under the currect contract. Do you think the company is going to just do what they want and furlough more. You should know one of ASA's biggest priorities right now is performance. It's on edge right now and if the company furlough's more, regardless of the contract, the performance will go down the toilet. Then the company has alot more to worry about than running a little fat on pilots for a while.

One thing that I think causes alot of the negative thinking and a "dark tunnel" future is because the company keeps their lips shut about everything. If any good news comes ASA's way such as a new RFP, new planes, etc... we'll read about it hear or on a news channel first. Then later that day or the next day we'll see it on ourASA. They've learned to just not say anything and tell SH, CT, chief pilots etc... to keep their mouths shut until the news is officially out.

 

.................. forget it

 

You seem awfully bitter and that's understandable, however you need to figure out how things work. Who do we get our pass benefits through???? DELTA. Delta provides our pass benefits and no matter how much of a negotiated BS thing you think they are, Delta provides the benefits and calls the shots. Hence the decrease to S3C and the paying 200 bucks per year when it used to be 50. From Scott's mouth, they asked Delta to provide the same 6 month pass benefits for the furloughed pilots and Delta said, in order to give them benefits, then Delta rides s3 on ASA. Well, obviously ASA told them hell no.

 

Yea, what the above poster said. If ASA gives up the S3 boarding to Delta on ASA flights we'll never get it back. The furloughed pilots will come back and get their benefits. If you are so hell bent on leaving ASA then why not just talk to a chief pilot when you need to fly anywhere, for an interview or whatever, and I'm sure they can help you out...

 

Again, why was ASA able to get 6 months of benefits for a larger group and why did some MEC members claim credit for getting those benefits the first time around? I guarantee that giving up S3 was not the issue, especially because it came from SH! I give though, no more arguments from me!

Seriously? ASA kicked me to the street and said don't expect to come back for a year or more. You think I should be sitting on my ass the whole time? Do you even know what the job market is like right now? I'd honestly like to return - the pilot group in general is a great group of guys and I enjoy the work. So why the personal goading? BTW, the chief pilots were willing to offer buddy passes when we asked.

Anyway, have fun with it! Regards, Marc Nicholson

 

Actually, if you do think about, we have had benefits for what?... 10 years now, that would be a third of ASA's history. Quite a bit of time I'd say.

 

I was going to comment on this attitude, but never mind. I won't change your mind, and the moderators will just send me more hate mail. I hope you have success finding a job outside of ASA. Hopefully it will be so good you choose not to come back.

 

To you PBS doubters, let's wait and see the actual agreement before we decide.

Don't know who mentioned the RFPs, but I have strong intelligence from multiple sources inside and outside of ASA, that lowering our costs by agreeing to PBS, in conjunction with the stability of locking in another year of the contract bodes very, very well for us in the October United RFP. Coincidentally, that flying begins in April, when our 20 50s become available. IAD anyone?