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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
(Post 680282)
Is this an Air Whiskey FO? A while back I got done a trip at JFK and headed over to LGA to JS to PHL. All the pax were on board and I waited for the captain to finish up so I could introduce myself. As I stood in the doorway, the FO called for his clearance. The freq was pretty busy and atc did not answer him, so he started yelling at her! After 1-2 minutes of this, she did give him his clearance. He then read it back wrong. She told him to stby and she would get back to him. He then started yelling and complaining in the cockpit (loudly, heard by the front row pax). He then called Clearance again and she told him to stby. When she did get back to him, he questioned why she was rude and ignoring him!! She said "Because you read the clearance back totally wrong and I told you to stby while I take care of other a/c" He yelled back at her saying he read back exactly what she said.....anyway, the flight pushed late because of all this.
It was the first time I ever flew on Air Whiskey. It made impression on me, and I'm sure everyone in front of the plane will rush back to fly USAir after wittnessing that! |
Originally Posted by seafeye
(Post 679628)
This is why i gave him part of the AIM....
We are boarding the airplane, waiting for paperwork....15 min to departure, at uncontrolled airport. F/O on FSS Freq:"Airline 123, Looking for clearance to xyz". FSS:"This is FSS, Airline 123, where are you?" F/O:"In xxx airport" FSS:"Airline 123, are you airborne or are you on the ground?" F/O:"On the ground" in a harsh tone. FSS:"OK, ATC clears Airline 123, to the xyz airport, via....hold for release" F/O:"Cleared to xyz, via..." Captain:"I think he would like you to say:"ATC clears Airline 123, to the xyz airport via....holding for release". F/O:"He knows what i mean". swears about the controller. Then i said:"When you call up FSS, they aren't ATC. They are just a middle man, and they are listening to 100 freqs. So you need to tell them your call sign followed by what freq you are transmitting and recieving on.", Then when they get back to you, you can tell them you are on the gound in xyz airport and looking for your cleanance to xyz airport." F/O:"The guy was being a ____". . |
I just feel bad for the ATC guys that have to be on the recieving end of this. My F/O clearly didn't know how the system works and that's fine, he can learn. But rather than ask and be cool about it, he bit into the ATC guy.
When i tried to give him the proper info he just threw it into the garbage. I guess the moral of the story is that just because you are flying a jet doesn't mean that you are god and everbody else is an idiot. |
Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht
(Post 680288)
Why do you feel the need to educate someone with whom you are flying with ? Why is it deemed necessary to give him a copy of the AIM and highlight points to which you feel are important to this person ? Was he/she really that bad ? Because if you gave me a printout of the AIM we would have words at that instant to clear up this ' rift ' you seemed to have run into....
uhhh yeah god forbid you should try to teach your (obviously inexperienced) FO the proper way to do something.......:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht
(Post 680288)
Why do you feel the need to educate someone with whom you are flying with ? Why is it deemed necessary to give him a copy of the AIM and highlight points to which you feel are important to this person ? Was he/she really that bad ? Because if you gave me a printout of the AIM we would have words at that instant to clear up this ' rift ' you seemed to have run into....
Doesn't every airline have some sort of duty/responsibility of the captain to mentor or help FOs with the progression of their job? There is a reason FSDO automatically renews part 121 captains CFI certificates. |
Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
(Post 679572)
The licenses we carry around are licenses to *learn* no matter how much experience we have.
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Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht
(Post 680288)
Why do you feel the need to educate someone with whom you are flying with ?
Why is it deemed necessary to give him a copy of the AIM and highlight points to which you feel are important to this person ? Was he/she really that bad ? Because if you gave me a printout of the AIM we would have words at that instant to clear up this ' rift ' you seemed to have run into.... Be lucky that you only have to deal with that Capt or chief pilot, about your mistakes. If I screw up, I get to stand in front of all the pilots I fly with (including the Boss and Chief Pilot) and tell them what I should have done. |
Interesting. Not only would you not last 5 seconds in a crew environment trying to point out the faults of all those you fly with, you let us know that you've prob. messed up to the point that you know the exact outcome/carpet dance you need to do afterwards.
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Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht
(Post 680557)
Interesting. Not only would you not last 5 seconds in a crew environment trying to point out the faults of all those you fly with, you let us know that you've prob. messed up to the point that you know the exact outcome/carpet dance you need to do afterwards.
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Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht
(Post 680557)
Interesting. Not only would you not last 5 seconds in a crew environment trying to point out the faults of all those you fly with, you let us know that you've prob. messed up to the point that you know the exact outcome/carpet dance you need to do afterwards.
Would you by chance happen to be the first officer pilot in question? Either way you are making a buffoon of yourself on the internet with your outrageous, and infantile attitude. An embarassement even to novices. Please relax, and attempt to take in the entire meaning, and writing of this thread. Best of luck to you, and especially to your flying partners. -The Stig |
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