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SpeedyVagabond 09-18-2009 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 680288)
Why do you feel the need to educate someone with whom you are flying with ? Why is it deemed necessary to give him a copy of the AIM and highlight points to which you feel are important to this person ? Was he/she really that bad ? Because if you gave me a printout of the AIM we would have words at that instant to clear up this ' rift ' you seemed to have run into....

And after the words, I'd let you hone your radio skills on all future legs we fly together. It's my job to train up my replacement after all. :rolleyes:

Deez340 09-18-2009 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 680288)
Why do you feel the need to educate someone with whom you are flying with ? Why is it deemed necessary to give him a copy of the AIM and highlight points to which you feel are important to this person ? Was he/she really that bad ? Because if you gave me a printout of the AIM we would have words at that instant to clear up this ' rift ' you seemed to have run into....

Every part 121 FOM I have ever seen listed education/guidance as a required function of the Captain. Your's have obviously been failing you in this regard.

As to your last sentence, if I was your Captain and you had "words" with me about how I needn't fulfill my FOM required duty to educate you on where you were lacking your next "words" would be with the Chief Pilot explaining why you were the first FO I had ever removed from a trip. My guess is "he was politely trying to correct me on my abhorrent ATC knowledge and I was arrogant and unreceptive" won't be the answer he was looking for.

I've had Captains educate me in the past. Some good some bad. I didn't enjoy it, but I took it like a professional and absorbed the wisdom.

Pride and ignorance are a deadly combo and will get you killed in a airplane.

Deez340 09-18-2009 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 680379)
Seriously? At least he appears to generally know what FSS does.. were you guys able to get off the ground or did you have to take over radios?:rolleyes: Maybe he hadn't done uncontrolled in a long time, which airport was it?

You seem to be missing the point and mocking the wrong person. Being a little rusty on IFR procedures at uncontrolled fields is somewhat forgivable and not the issue. Covering for your ignorance with rude and counterproductive behavior is. Add being unreceptive to needed correction and you've got a real d-bag pilot looking for a place to have a serious accident. What happens when this genius applies this attitude to something more critical than radio decorum?

DryMotorBoatin 09-18-2009 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 680587)
Every part 121 FOM I have ever seen listed education/guidance as a required function of the Captain. Your's have obviously been failing you in this regard.

As to your last sentence, if I was your Captain and you had "words" with me about how I needn't fulfill my FOM required duty to educate you on where you were lacking your next "words" would be with the Chief Pilot explaining why you were the first FO I had ever removed from a trip. My guess is "he was politely trying to correct me on my abhorrent ATC knowledge and I was arrogant and unreceptive" won't be the answer he was looking for.

I've had Captains educate me in the past. Some good some bad. I didn't enjoy it, but I took it like a professional and absorbed the wisdom.

Pride and ignorance are a deadly combo and will get you killed in a airplane.

I've found there are 2 types of captains. Those who tell you things in an abrasive manner to remind you what you don't know and those who tell you things in a sincere manner in hopes of making you a better and more well rounded pilot.

Deez340 09-18-2009 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 680594)
I've found there are 2 types of captains. Those who tell you things in an abrasive manner to remind you what you don't know and those who tell you things in a sincere manner in hopes of making you a better and more well rounded pilot.

I agree. Captains have many duties and responsibilities. The former is failing in his CRM duties and just passing in his educational duties. The latter is passing both with flying colors. I enjoy flying with, and strive to be the latter.:D

KIGONYE 09-18-2009 12:45 PM

testing testing 1 2 3

Purpleanga 09-18-2009 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by KIGONYE (Post 680603)
testing testing 1 2 3

loud and clear.

Deez340 09-18-2009 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by KIGONYE (Post 680603)
testing testing 1 2 3

Listening and transmitting on http://www.airlinepilotforums.com ...over.:D

Purpleanga 09-18-2009 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 680587)
Every part 121 FOM I have ever seen listed education/guidance as a required function of the Captain. Your's have obviously been failing you in this regard.

As to your last sentence, if I was your Captain and you had "words" with me about how I needn't fulfill my FOM required duty to educate you on where you were lacking your next "words" would be with the Chief Pilot explaining why you were the first FO I had ever removed from a trip. My guess is "he was politely trying to correct me on my abhorrent ATC knowledge and I was arrogant and unreceptive" won't be the answer he was looking for.

I've had Captains educate me in the past. Some good some bad. I didn't enjoy it, but I took it like a professional and absorbed the wisdom.

Pride and ignorance are a deadly combo and will get you killed in a airplane.

You actually bring up a good point. Having a ****ing match with your CA is not the right thing to do. Especially if the guy has enough seniority to turn out your lights. Obviously this is not to say you shouldn't speak up when you see something wrong. But if he says that you didn't properly contact FSS, you should listen. The FOs have to be good at accepting that anyways.:D

CaptainCarl 09-18-2009 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 680557)
Interesting. Not only would you not last 5 seconds in a crew environment trying to point out the faults of all those you fly with, you let us know that you've prob. messed up to the point that you know the exact outcome/carpet dance you need to do afterwards.

Cool your jets JetPipeOverht, before you overheat :D Seriously man, unless you were the FO in question, don't fight the thread. And if you are the FO mentioned by the OP, you need to check your attitude.


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