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TPROP4ever 09-20-2009 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by N6724G (Post 681481)
I wouldnt put ALL ATP and Gulfstream academy in the same category. AT Gulfstream you pay them to fly in the right seat. ATP is actually a flight school where you learn to fly there is no airline job after it.

You really have absolutly NO CLUE do you.....flame on:rolleyes:

Mason32 09-20-2009 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 681487)
I'm on the NTSB website now, looking at the most recent fatal and non-fatal 121 accidents, and I'm sorry, I don't see where you're getting that information. For 2009, from earliest to most recent:

A320
ATR-42
Q400 (Buffalo)
B747
CRJ
MD11
MD88
B737
DHC-8
DC-10
B767
EMB135
A320
EMB170
B737
CRJ
DHC-8
B717

Fatals only (last 5 years):

CV-340(580)
Jetstream 32
EMB170
B737
Grumman G73T
B737
CRJ100
B737
DC9
B747
Q400
MD11

Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)

and I found this:

Fatals

09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32
12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37
08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100
02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8

It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story.

Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830.

N6724G 09-20-2009 04:04 PM

yes. I looked into going there a few years ago when I was at CFI school in Ft Laudersale. I went to visit the school. They told me it would cost me like $22K and I would fly in the right seat and build time . It was too expensvie for me so i forgot about it.

TPROP4ever 09-20-2009 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by N6724G (Post 681514)
yes. I looked into going there a few years ago when I was at CFI school in Ft Laudersale. I went to visit the school. They told me it would cost me like $22K and I would fly in the right seat and build time . It was too expensvie for me so i forgot about it.

Well things are much different now, they do have a PFT program, but it is definatly not what everyone says it is based on what they heard from so and so....

dojetdriver 09-20-2009 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 681513)
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)

and I found this:

Fatals

09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737

Shanksville was a 737? Thats new to me :rolleyes:

How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed?

Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related?

Mason32 09-20-2009 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 681520)
Shanksville was a 737? Thats new to me :rolleyes:

How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed?


I cut and pasted.... ooops, yep, your right 757.... 37 was the fatalities...
poor job of cutting and pasting... I backed the 37 fatalities up too far and wiped out the 57.
But the link is right above in the original post... it is what it is.

RJSAviator76 09-20-2009 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 681520)
Shanksville was a 737? Thats new to me :rolleyes:

Looks like a bad cut and paste - check the website.


How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed?

Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related?
No, but reading comprehension of regional pilots might be in slight question... ;)

Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities.

Just bustin' your balls... :D

NightIP 09-20-2009 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 681513)
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)

and I found this:

Fatals

09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900
10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32
12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37
08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100
02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8

It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story.

Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830.

This would be a more accurate survey of the accidents (all fatalities, not just passenger):

Aviation Accident Database Query

Dates: 1/1/2004 - 9/20/2009
Investigation Type: Accident
Injury Severity: Fatal (or All, whichever you'd like)
Operation: Part 121:Air Carrier

Submit. Very different results.

dojetdriver 09-20-2009 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 681524)
I cut and pasted.... the link is right above, be my guest.


09/11/01 NEW YORK CITY, NY UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 767-200
09/11/01 ARLINGTON, VA AMERICAN AIRLINES BOEING 757-200
09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 757
11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A300-600
01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900

Took you up on the offer, above is the cut and paste I got from here;

NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121)

dojetdriver 09-20-2009 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 681525)
No, but reading comprehension of regional pilots might be in slight question... ;)

Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities.

Just bustin' your balls... :D

Fair enough :o, but read most of the guys other threads. Obviously regional cockpits are dangerous and flying on a regional aircraft should be avoided at all costs.

And I guess if we really wanna escalate the thread over reading comprehension, grammar, etc;


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 681524)
I cut and pasted.... ooops, yep, your right

Knowing the difference between you're and your is above the guy.


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