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Originally Posted by N6724G
(Post 681481)
I wouldnt put ALL ATP and Gulfstream academy in the same category. AT Gulfstream you pay them to fly in the right seat. ATP is actually a flight school where you learn to fly there is no airline job after it.
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Originally Posted by NightIP
(Post 681487)
I'm on the NTSB website now, looking at the most recent fatal and non-fatal 121 accidents, and I'm sorry, I don't see where you're getting that information. For 2009, from earliest to most recent:
A320 ATR-42 Q400 (Buffalo) B747 CRJ MD11 MD88 B737 DHC-8 DC-10 B767 EMB135 A320 EMB170 B737 CRJ DHC-8 B717 Fatals only (last 5 years): CV-340(580) Jetstream 32 EMB170 B737 Grumman G73T B737 CRJ100 B737 DC9 B747 Q400 MD11 and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121) and I found this: Fatals 09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300 01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900 10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32 12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37 08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100 02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8 It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story. Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830. |
yes. I looked into going there a few years ago when I was at CFI school in Ft Laudersale. I went to visit the school. They told me it would cost me like $22K and I would fly in the right seat and build time . It was too expensvie for me so i forgot about it.
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Originally Posted by N6724G
(Post 681514)
yes. I looked into going there a few years ago when I was at CFI school in Ft Laudersale. I went to visit the school. They told me it would cost me like $22K and I would fly in the right seat and build time . It was too expensvie for me so i forgot about it.
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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 681513)
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121) and I found this: Fatals 09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed? Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related? |
Originally Posted by dojetdriver
(Post 681520)
Shanksville was a 737? Thats new to me :rolleyes:
How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed? I cut and pasted.... ooops, yep, your right 757.... 37 was the fatalities... poor job of cutting and pasting... I backed the 37 fatalities up too far and wiped out the 57. But the link is right above in the original post... it is what it is. |
Originally Posted by dojetdriver
(Post 681520)
Shanksville was a 737? Thats new to me :rolleyes:
How/why is the FedEx MD-11 not listed? Also, along your line of reasoning that regional cockpits are "unsafe", so much that you refuse to fly on them. Were the B1900 and Grumman cockpit crew human factor related? Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities. Just bustin' your balls... :D |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 681513)
Really? I went here ---> NTSB - Aviation
and then here ---->NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121) and I found this: Fatals 09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 737 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS A300 01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900 10/19/04 KIRKSVILLE, MO CORPORATE AIRLINES BA Jetstream 32 12/19/05 MIAMI, FL CHALKS OCEAN AIRWAYS Grumman G-37 08/27/06 LEXINGTON, KY MAIR Bombardier CRJ-100 02/12/09 CLARENCE, NY COLGAN AIR Bombardier DHC-8 It doesn't include the non-fatals, and if you do that, you get 7 of the last 8 were regionals. Slip in the USAir on the Hudson and one other one that slips my noodle right now and poof 7 of 8. Period, end of story. Remember NTSB is going to list any major damage regardless of if it involved an incident or acident. A fuel truck smahing into the plane at the gate will get reported... we're talking about accidents, not expensive mishaps that require reporting under NTSB 830. Aviation Accident Database Query Dates: 1/1/2004 - 9/20/2009 Investigation Type: Accident Injury Severity: Fatal (or All, whichever you'd like) Operation: Part 121:Air Carrier Submit. Very different results. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 681524)
I cut and pasted.... the link is right above, be my guest.
09/11/01 NEW YORK CITY, NY UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 767-200 09/11/01 ARLINGTON, VA AMERICAN AIRLINES BOEING 757-200 09/11/01 SHANKSVILLE, PA UNITED AIRLINES BOEING 757 11/12/01 BELLE HARBOR, NY AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A300-600 01/08/03 CHARLOTTE, NC US AIRWAYS EXPRESS Beech 1900 Took you up on the offer, above is the cut and paste I got from here; NTSB - Accidents Involving Passenger Fatalities - U.S. Airlines (Part 121) |
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 681525)
No, but reading comprehension of regional pilots might be in slight question... ;)
Fedex MD11 is a cargo plane, and the statistics used are for accidents involving passenger fatalities. Just bustin' your balls... :D And I guess if we really wanna escalate the thread over reading comprehension, grammar, etc;
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 681524)
I cut and pasted.... ooops, yep, your right
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