My interpritation of 61.159 is the right one, No mine is, but my FSDO says I'm right, oh yeah well my FSDO says your FSDO is wrong...My POI agrees with my FSDO, well My POI says yours is wrong...

Now back to your reguaraly scheduled clambake

 

Let me start by saying that all I did was ask a few questions. Must have hit a nerve. I would say that there are probably several training scenarios where this would come into play. Training in actual aircraft with PIC, test flight with check airman , etc... Truth is, I don't really know. That is why I asked smart..s Maybe I should have been more clear. How will you show 1500 hours for 61.159 (a)? How will you show 500 x-c for 61.159(a)(1)? How will you show 100 night for 61.159(a)(2)? How will you show 75 hours instrument for 61.159(a)(3)? How will you show 250 hours as SIC performing the duties of PIC?

These are all in the same section. Most people would use their logbooks to prove these hours. Are you counting every hour as SIC as performing duties of PIC? Are you having CA sign logbook saying he let you pretend to be PIC? If not what is the difference in how you are logging them.I know its been done before. I think these are legitimate questions. We did it for awhile and then stopped because the FSDO had a change of heart. So enlighten all the unwashed masses. Everything in that section has to be logged for your 8710. How do you get your logbook to match what you are putting on your 8710?

 

What answer?

 

Actually, I think that's exactly what their responsibility is. If it wasn't, then I would have been responsible for paying for my own sim time. There are a lot of jobs out there that will pay to further the education of their executives, (advanced degrees, etc...) why should aviation be any different.

 

Okay, so let me get this straight......








Colgan IS getting 46 Qs over the next 3+ years?

 

You were close...

16 starting August 2010

15 starting sometime in 2011

so 31 planes

I think you misread 61.159....it was in there.

 

Because there will be a never ending line of people just like you to take the job when you quit because you can't upgrade. They don't want you anymore by that time anyway since you are now on too high a step payscale...

How is it their responsibility to get you the time you are required to have to upgrade? It isn't good enough for you that you got a job you didn't have to earn.... now you want them to front you the PIC time so you can upgrade....

Wow, the ME generation really has arrived hasn't it.

 

Mason, come one a little over melodramatic aren't you???

 

Yeah, sure I did get into this job with relatively low time, but I still did have the PIC requirements for an upgrade so I'm not worried about this issue. I'm just speaking for the guys who may not have it. I have flown with captains, who came in low time as well. I keep hearing this ME generation, and that it was only recently that people have been coming in low time. I have flown with at least 2 captains, who have been at the company for at least 5 or 6 years, that got into the industry at around 300 hours total time. I'm sure you've heard it before, it's not about what you know, it's about who you know.

My point is, if the company takes you, knowing full well beforehand that you will not have the time requirement when it comes time to upgrade, why shouldn't it be their responsibility to get you there. The way I see it, is my time of paying for training or building experience ended the day I walked into this job. Also, if the other airlines operating manual is similar to ours, it prohibits any commercial flying outside of the job. So there goes the possibility of flight instructing on the side to help build the necessary PIC. They know what time you have when they hire you, and if they agree to give you the job, then they agree to pay for whatever further training throughout your career with them may be (Sim rides, IBT, Recurrent ground, etc...)

 

Reference PNCL Q2 Earning Conference Call. CAL has not told Colgan they can order the lost plane in Buffalo.