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Aren't we all, but that wasn't the issue and you know it.

The problem with the gentleman in question here (Bryis) is that he comes on here with his whole one year of experience in the industry and pretends to lecture folks on the topics at hand (see his post history).
We'll as you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and just by reading his blog or the fact that he removed the link after he posted on this thread, you can tell the caliber of person that we're dealing with here.
Every furloughed pilot I know has gotten a job in whatever they could to support their families, that's equally worthy of admiration and respect.
#32
Currently unemployment is just below 10% with the true U-6 unemployment around 16%.
Lets keep things in perspective and realize that a downgrade and having to sell your Harley is not the most terrible thing to have happen in someones life.
He seems to have a wife and 4 healthy kids who love him. A nice home and still being able to provide a life for his family.
Again, lets keep things in the proper perspective about what is truly important in life.
Lets keep things in perspective and realize that a downgrade and having to sell your Harley is not the most terrible thing to have happen in someones life.
He seems to have a wife and 4 healthy kids who love him. A nice home and still being able to provide a life for his family.
Again, lets keep things in the proper perspective about what is truly important in life.
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#34
Currently unemployment is just below 10% with the true U-6 unemployment around 16%.
Lets keep things in perspective and realize that a downgrade and having to sell your Harley is not the most terrible thing to have happen in someones life.
He seems to have a wife and 4 healthy kids who love him. A nice home and still being able to provide a life for his family.
Again, lets keep things in the proper perspective about what is truly important in life.
Lets keep things in perspective and realize that a downgrade and having to sell your Harley is not the most terrible thing to have happen in someones life.
He seems to have a wife and 4 healthy kids who love him. A nice home and still being able to provide a life for his family.
Again, lets keep things in the proper perspective about what is truly important in life.
With all due respect, I think the majority of the folks here are focusing on his personal information, and not the message, or the advantage we all gain every time our wages and quality of life are exposed in the news. Bryan is actually one of the most grounded people I know, and he agreed to do this article to bring awareness to the masses about the sacrifices we all make. Your's and mine might be different, but as you said let's keep things in perspective.
The way I look at it is that you and I deserve to make a lot more than what we make for all the time away from home and our families, for all the times we fight through bad weather, for all the times we go beyond our call of duty to get folks safely to their destinations. So why are we going to criticize someone who has put his neck on the line for the benefit of everyone in our profession. Would you do the article?
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Just so everyone knows the Company was not blindsided by this, they were well aware that the story was going to be published and they were ok with it I applaud Brian and work with him on a lot of issues, hes a great guy and all XJT guys should be grateful that he volunteers his time.
Also they twisted the comments about his wife and to be honest with you, yes my fiancee loves me but shes not thrilled about the pay that I make and she shouldn't be, its a joke. We SHOULD have the Harley's and the houses and the cars (or at least be compensated enough to where if we wanted these things we could go out an get them) Maybe that's the problem, we have no self-worth anymore and we are just happy with having a job---------------or flying 190s for such a sad payrate???????
We do deserve more and we shouldn't settle for what this industry has become
I am a little disappointed, but not surprised about some of the comments on here...............I am once again reminded why I try not to post here anymore.........
Also they twisted the comments about his wife and to be honest with you, yes my fiancee loves me but shes not thrilled about the pay that I make and she shouldn't be, its a joke. We SHOULD have the Harley's and the houses and the cars (or at least be compensated enough to where if we wanted these things we could go out an get them) Maybe that's the problem, we have no self-worth anymore and we are just happy with having a job---------------or flying 190s for such a sad payrate???????
We do deserve more and we shouldn't settle for what this industry has become
I am a little disappointed, but not surprised about some of the comments on here...............I am once again reminded why I try not to post here anymore.........
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#38
No this is a silly piece:
PassionAviator
What Bryan Lawlor did takes a lot of nerve, I know him personally, and he stuck his neck out in an effort to educate the masses about the inadequacies of pay for pilots, and for the benefit of everyone including furloughed pilots like yourself.
What all of you should be doing is thanking him for putting his personal life out there so that folks find out what we really go through as pilots.
So I ask you, what have done lately to improve the career? Oh that's right you're leaving to be a CPA? Incidentally why did you remove the link to your blog from your signature? It's a bit hypocritical of you don't you think?
PassionAviator
What Bryan Lawlor did takes a lot of nerve, I know him personally, and he stuck his neck out in an effort to educate the masses about the inadequacies of pay for pilots, and for the benefit of everyone including furloughed pilots like yourself.
What all of you should be doing is thanking him for putting his personal life out there so that folks find out what we really go through as pilots.
So I ask you, what have done lately to improve the career? Oh that's right you're leaving to be a CPA? Incidentally why did you remove the link to your blog from your signature? It's a bit hypocritical of you don't you think?
What I did was get furloughed, then decided to take life into my own hands and work on something else rather than sit around collecting unemployment. I call that hedging my bets, not waiting around for this industry to come around.
I know plenty of people (my father in law is one) who are struggling due to the economic recession. Many people are getting homes foreclosed upon, unemployment is almost at the end of the line, etc. This guy still has his job and from what I can tell is bringing in 75k/yr. All things considered, he's still doing pretty well. When things pick up, he'll get his command back along with the pay.
Those who have interpreted my comments to be defending the pay of regional airline pilots must have some other agenda in mind with this thread. This was a story of a guy who is one of countless thousands who have incurred economic troubles due to the recession.
This is tough road that many know all too well. There is no uncharted territory being covered here.
#39
Aren't we all, but that wasn't the issue and you know it.
That's a matter of perception. Every furloughed pilot I know has gotten a job in whatever they could to support their families, that's equally worthy of admiration and respect.
The problem with the gentleman in question here (Bryis) is that he comes on here with his whole one year of experience in the industry and pretends to lecture folks on the topics at hand (see his post history). We'll as you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and just by reading his blog or the fact that he removed the link after he posted on this thread, you can tell the caliber of person that we're dealing with here.
That's a matter of perception. Every furloughed pilot I know has gotten a job in whatever they could to support their families, that's equally worthy of admiration and respect.
The problem with the gentleman in question here (Bryis) is that he comes on here with his whole one year of experience in the industry and pretends to lecture folks on the topics at hand (see his post history). We'll as you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and just by reading his blog or the fact that he removed the link after he posted on this thread, you can tell the caliber of person that we're dealing with here.
If it makes you feel better to try to belittle me, feel free to pull anything from my post history. I have nothing to hide.
#40
So I guess you're OK with a pilot making "average" household income. Hooray for you, I hope you don't have aspirations of being on the NC at ANY airline
And I'll repeat it for your, over 9 years as a 121 pilot. 3 of those years exceeded 50K, 2 at just above 20k, the others in between. I can live a life just fine on 36k a year, NEVER lived above it. I'll ask you AGAIN, what should a pilot be making?
See my first response in this post. For those like you that think it's OK for a pilot should make as much, or less than a garbage man, please, stay off your airline's NC.
And I'll repeat it for your, over 9 years as a 121 pilot. 3 of those years exceeded 50K, 2 at just above 20k, the others in between. I can live a life just fine on 36k a year, NEVER lived above it. I'll ask you AGAIN, what should a pilot be making?
See my first response in this post. For those like you that think it's OK for a pilot should make as much, or less than a garbage man, please, stay off your airline's NC.
A pilot should make more than a garbage man, for the record. I never stated otherwise.
My only point here is twofold:
1. MANY have suffered due to the recession. Been laid off, pay cuts, etc. Pilots are susceptible to this as much anyone. Business slows down, some folks have to go. The airline system is seniority based, thus the whole list drops down a notch. Love it or hate it, its the way it works.
2. Regardless of the ideal scene we all hope for, the real one is quite different. In the real world, as much as it sucks (I have never advocated otherwise), one must be smart about dealing with this profession. An upgrade earned needs to be approached carefully until enough junior captains get on the line to shield you. Exactly how many will suffice is a personal judgment.
We could go into all the ins and outs of the problem. My point is merely to state the problem exists and to plan accordingly until it improves.
BTW, to whomever asked about US medium income, it is $50,233 as of 2007.
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