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Thedude 10-27-2009 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 701669)
After 2012 and the pilot shortage we'll be in the driver seat for a while, give it another few years, an economic downturn or two and I'm sure we'll give back what we made :p

I hope you don't think that 2012 is some kind of magic bullet or something for your career. There are plenty of guys on the street that are underemployed, flying for a foreign operator, back in the military or just taking a break from flying. Its gonna be several yrs before all of the recalls and the highly qualified guys are back in the saddle at the majors. The only place the (perceived) shortage is gonna be is at the commuters because of the increased TT requirements. Hopefully that will translate into a pay raise for the commuter guys to attract candidates. I think its gonna be along time before we are back in the proverbial driver's seat again

ExperimentalAB 10-27-2009 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by andy171773 (Post 701809)
There's never been one cause there's never been a swath of baby boomers It's not just the flight schools that are predicting one, most aviation "experts" agree...so I have a hard time discrediting that just cause it has "never been".

That you had to throw experts in quotation marks says it all ;)

RockyBoy 10-27-2009 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Convairator (Post 701803)
There is alot of merit to this premise, and I've heard it alot. I think this is applicable, but not always in aviation.

Somebody whom is low time and gets a freight job, flying single pilot IFR in all weather, including low imc precision and non-precision approaches is a whole lot more qualified than somebody whom is a CFI with 2,000 hours dual given of which almost all of it is day vfr doing touch and goes and stalls.

I think CFI'ing is repetitive, mind numbing, dangerous, and incredibly boring all at the same time.

While I admire those who were good CFI's, I agree with Convairator on this issue. Before my airline life I was a CFI and then had a 135 gig so I've done both. The skills I learned flying flying single pilot for a 135 operator were far more valuable than the teaching skills I learned as a CFI. If you have the chance, take a flying job over a teaching job.

lavMan 10-27-2009 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 701885)
While I admire those who were good CFI's, I agree with Convairator on this issue. Before my airline life I was a CFI and then had a 135 gig so I've done both. The skills I learned flying flying single pilot for a 135 operator were far more valuable than the teaching skills I learned as a CFI. If you have the chance, take a flying job over a teaching job.


Back in the day that was the normal progression. Instruct till you meet 135 IFR mins, go fly 135, go on to the regionals. I just instructed, and didn't seem to have any problems, but the industry was in a hiring cycle. But I also didn't hire on with 500hrs either. When hiring resumes, the CFI, 135, or fuloughed guys will be getting the calls for the interviews?

Meatball 10-27-2009 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 701679)
Ah, the good 'ole "pilot shortage" argument. There has never been a pilot shortage and there never will be!

Lol. Is that the same pilot shortage I've been hearing about for the last ten years.... or more?

duvie 10-27-2009 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by Meatball (Post 702191)
Lol. Is that the same pilot shortage I've been hearing about for the last ten years.... or more?

The last ten years have been quite atypical, even for aviation. Its short sighted to base opinion only on what you've seen rather than the big picture. Things will change...hopefully for the better, but rest assured, they will change. Good luck to you :)

atpcliff 10-28-2009 06:21 AM

Hi!

I think if UAL/AA, etc. comes to your high school, and hires you with a private and/or Commercial, I think that qualifies as a pilot shortage.

cliff
Mafikeng, SA

TonyWilliams 10-28-2009 10:28 AM

I think the last "true" pilot shortage was the 1960's. Major airlines were going to colleges and recruiting people to be pilots, ab initio.

But, that was long before pilot puppy mills.

"Louis Smith, president of FLTops.com, has been covering pilot hiring for more than 30 years. According to Smith, pilot shortages have been incorrectly predicted by experts every decade since the last true shortage in the 1960s. Airline industry veterans will remember airlines advertising for pilots in the 1960s and paying for primary flight training to entice new pilots into the industry. That may seem mind-boggling today, but it happened. "


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