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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:22 PM
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U.S. House Passes Airline Safety Bill

Does anyone know if this new bill only applies to regional airlines, and if not what all segments of the industry could this effect? I ask because it seems that current programs offered by schools like ATP Flight School want come close to providing enough airtime to acquire your ATP certificate. Anyone know any good alternatives (besides instructing) that under this new bill would allow a young pilot to build time to get to the regionals? Also I have heard some statements that the new time increase would make pilots in higher demand for the regionals and therefore higher pay, any opinions?
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:29 PM
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Why is everyone getting so worked up about this new bill? Nothing has been set in stone or has even become a law, yet!!

And no, regional airline pay will never change.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:29 PM
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All Part 121 carriers the ATP is applicable to. As for your other concerns, sounds like flight instructing is not in your best interest, look at all avenues regarding time building, (banner towing, pipeline, networking at the local FBO and seeing if anyone needs a second pilot). All of this means is you will have to bust your hump looking, no one is going to hand it to you. And the increase in flight hours may (possibility) mean increase in pay to draw pilots.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:31 PM
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:31 PM
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jumpers, pipeline, instructing, fly freight, angel flight or just build connections until you get to know the right people to land that first job somewhere.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
Why is everyone getting so worked up about this new bill? Nothing has been set in stone or has even become a law, yet!!

And no, regional airline pay will never change.
This is true that its not a law yet but it passed with 409 for and only 11 against in the House. Nothing wrong with considering all the possibilities dude. Thanks for all the replies so far.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dcaldwe8
U.S. House Passes Airline Safety Bill

Does anyone know if this new bill only applies to regional airlines, and if not what all segments of the industry could this effect? I ask because it seems that current programs offered by schools like ATP Flight School want come close to providing enough airtime to acquire your ATP certificate. Anyone know any good alternatives (besides instructing) that under this new bill would allow a young pilot to build time to get to the regionals? Also I have heard some statements that the new time increase would make pilots in higher demand for the regionals and therefore higher pay, any opinions?
Majors have pretty much required an ATP or ATP minimums time for a long time. No change there.

ATP flight school will not come close to providing you the time. If you don't want to flight instruct you can try banner towing, pipeline flying, traffic watch etc. I would still suggest earning a CFI because you can use for things other than instructing. You can hang out at your local FBO and meet people that own planes and see if you can get them to take you up in the air. You can log that time as "instructing" even though you really aren't That said I would instruct because not only can you get a little money out of it and off-set costs but it is also a good experience.

Of course you can always buy time but I would suggest part or full ownership of a plane because it will be cheaper that way then renting planes from your FBO for hundreds of hours of training. You can also resale it down the road and get some money back.

Getting on at a Part 135 place is also another way to build time.

The military is a good choice too.

Keep your ears and eyes open and meet a ton of people because that is what will open doors for you.

Will wages come up? Who knows, as Spoilers says it isn't law yet and it can be changed even after it is made law. It might help cut down on some of the supply of pilots but realistically there are so many unemployed and qualified pilots out there that it will take a long time for the demand to catch up if ever. Also the universities are going to be exempt for some portion of the ATP requirements, I promise you right now ATP flight school is looking for similar exemption through their lobbyists.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 05:51 PM
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If you're smart about it, good at what you do and work hard, getting to 1500 hours after getting through your ratings is only 2-3 years...it isn't likely that there would be mass hiring within that time frame anyways.
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Old 10-26-2009 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
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Well said

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Old 10-26-2009 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dcaldwe8
U.S. House Passes Airline Safety Bill

Does anyone know if this new bill only applies to regional airlines, and if not what all segments of the industry could this effect? I ask because it seems that current programs offered by schools like ATP Flight School want come close to providing enough airtime to acquire your ATP certificate. Anyone know any good alternatives (besides instructing) that under this new bill would allow a young pilot to build time to get to the regionals? Also I have heard some statements that the new time increase would make pilots in higher demand for the regionals and therefore higher pay, any opinions?
I would suggest that you read about the topic first. By educating yourself on this topic you can ask pertinent, intelligent questions. This topic has been discussed on this site for some time. The following are a few threads already established that have the opinions of many and also some facts about the bill and its progress thus far:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...tual-bill.html (this thread is closed but has a lot of what you are looking for)

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ning-bill.html

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-new-bill.html

Happy reading!
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