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PA-31 is a fun plane to fly too! I flew it for an owner for about a year...I miss it!
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Do you guys have extra airframes sitting around for the new flying, whatever it is? Or are you going to have to find some 145's.
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Originally Posted by Koolaidman
(Post 707666)
Do you guys have extra airframes sitting around for the new flying, whatever it is? Or are you going to have to find some 145's.
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So is there classes really going on December 7, 14, and 21st?
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Originally Posted by homelessguy1
(Post 707691)
So is there classes really going on December 7, 14, and 21st?
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I was there when TSA ramped up for the Continental flying that CHQ got, only to furlough two months after hiring the last group of guys. I think guys got done with sim in May and were furloughed in June. I definitely hope the morons running your company don't pull that sh.t again. Best of luck to you guys!
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Originally Posted by Koolaidman
(Post 707709)
I was there when TSA ramped up for the Continental flying that CHQ got, only to furlough two months after hiring the last group of guys. I think guys got done with sim in May and were furloughed in June. I definitely hope the morons running your company don't pull that sh.t again. Best of luck to you guys!
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From an extremely reliable source it is all true! There will be an official announcement next week.
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so since the announcement doesnt come out til next week and we are left all weekend to guess whats up...im more than anxious to hear everybody's best guess whats goin on...
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CHQ UA ERJ replacement? I'd be surprised if it's more than that.
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Originally Posted by Positive_Rate
(Post 707719)
I'm scared that's what might be happening this time, too. Nothing has been inked and nothing is official...yet. Announcement should come Monday.
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It's kind of funny how they have scheduled classes to start just before Christmas. We all must have been bad this year and this is Santa's way of putting coal in our stockings :P
I wonder if management is trying to slim down the seniority list to close the gap between the number of pilots at Trans States and GoJet. If GoJetters outnumber Waterskiers, could they combine the companies and vote out ALPA? Just random thoughts. Is this the voluntary recall? Will there be a mandatory recall? |
Originally Posted by Purpleanga
(Post 707784)
CHQ UA ERJ replacement? I'd be surprised if it's more than that.
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Originally Posted by wonkable
(Post 707833)
Jet Blue express out of STL. That's what I heard
2nd time I've heard this, and its still the dumbest thing I've ever heard! |
No no you guys heard wrong, we're going to be doing shuttle service between STL and JFK for commuting Jetblue pilots.
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I heard we were awarded a 747 domestic contract for cathay pacific... Just what I heard.. Might be a lie..
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This is good news for folks without a job. What they do with all of the pilots remains to be seen.
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Please foxcow, you know exactly what TSA has planned for these pilots...
...torturing them for all eternity. :) |
I'm out of town and therefore can't get my mail.. Any chance someone could scan the letter and post it or PM it to me??
Please? |
A little recap of 2009:
January: Reserve in STL February: Reserve in IAD March: Reserve in IAD April: Med Leave May: Furloughed June: Unemployment July: New job and new baby August: Passed test for new Job September: Passed more tests for new job October: Went to STL for new job training November: Recall notice December: ??????????? Quite the year, and I know I am not the only one. Hopefully whatever there is in store for TSA, it will be a goood thing to get more of us back, at least those that actually come back. As for me, I am waiting to hear just why exactly we are all being called back. Until then, I will be waiting for the mandatory recall to decide. What is anyone else doing at this point? PM me. |
I just got the recall letter the other day. I'm currently out here in OKC going through enroute training for ATC. I will be done here end of January and then off the Miami Center. Hopefully I can wait to defer after I get done here just to be on the safe side. I'm about 99.9% sure I'm gonna stay here and do ATC. To be honest, I love doing it, I majored in air traffic managment back at Riddle.
On the other hand, I do miss flying the erj and I miss jumpseating to wherever I want to go but I really don't miss the qol. I wish the best of luck to all that go back to TSA, I'm pullin' for ya. |
Originally Posted by Herbie
(Post 708630)
As for me, I am waiting to hear just why exactly we are all being called back. Until then, I will be waiting for the mandatory recall to decide. . |
so if enough ppl bypass...does that mean TSA will run a new hire class?
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Originally Posted by threegreen
(Post 708795)
so if enough ppl bypass...does that mean TSA will run a new hire class?
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They won't hire until all have been recalled or those that have bypassed have lost those final rights as well...don't know the details there, but I wouldn't expect much in the way of new-hires.
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its 1000/200 now...the thing is that i am in the pool/or was. So i emailed HR to see what the deal is
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One thing to remeber is that with the United guys on the street, once all of the furloughed guys that want to come back are back, they will probably be taking advantage of the jets for jobs agreement if there is one that has been drafted with TSA. I am not sure, someone on here probably knows more about it than me. But there are a few that have been going to that airline across the hall. Just food for thought. Hopefully we will get an announcement today as to what is bringing about these furloughs.
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Does anyone know if there will be an official announcement today?
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Last time I talked to RZ, which was a few months ago, he told me he hoped to have everybody back from furlough within the year or within a year (can't remember exactly which he said). Maybe he already had an idea that this could happen and maybe not, but it is good to see that management is actively seeking more flying to get us back in the cockpit. I don't think they enjoy furloughing us any more than we do. I'm anxiously awaiting the announcement about this potential flying. At the same time, I feel bad for the other people who are losing flying. Sucks knowing your friends are on the chopping block while you're getting hired to do the same thing they are. Quite an industry.
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Originally Posted by 145mule
(Post 708931)
Does anyone know if there will be an official announcement today?
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XJT found out today that we got some of the United flying. I think United is piecing together different airlines to replace the flying. You guys should hear some news today as well. good luck
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
(Post 708949)
XJT found out today that we got some of the United flying.
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Originally Posted by Copperhed51
(Post 708937)
I don't think they enjoy furloughing us any more than we do...
I think Fred O. is the problem. His home made excel spreadsheet is what determines how many pilots are on property. |
Originally Posted by Copperhed51
(Post 708937)
I don't think they enjoy furloughing us any more than we do.
They do not care whether you are furloughed or not. They furloughed the pilots in the first place to save money. Now, they are asking you back so they can make money. There is NO desire to get pilots back for the sake of getting pilots back. Their entire business model is predicated on fast turnover - in and out, in and out - to keep the average longevity low. When a gap in work comes up, the company will crunch the numbers and determine the most cost effective way to manage the pilots. They'd put you out of a job for 6 months rather than just keep extra reserves or something for a small gap of time, to save wages expense. Your bills do not matter. Only their's do.
Originally Posted by Copperhed51
(Post 708937)
I'm anxiously awaiting the announcement about this potential flying. At the same time, I feel bad for the other people who are losing flying. Sucks knowing your friends are on the chopping block while you're getting hired to do the same thing they are. Quite an industry.
Actually, these two statements compliment each other nicely. There is NO loyalty to anyone/anything besides money. From the viewpoint of management, the entire pilot group is just a nameless, faceless mass, to be altered and manipulated however needed to achieve the necessary structure. I am not saying that there is evil and malice thought on the part of management. They are all more likely good and decent people. But their motives are financial and nothing else. Its business, not personal. One of the major side effects to the regional situation, as we all know, is this "musical chair" BS that is played. From the pilot's viewpoint, its all luck on who gets awarded and who loses out on flying. |
i heard something in the ORD crew room today to the effect that the union had some kind of issue with the recalls and now there isn't gonna be anything. i dont know details, and i certainly dont report it as truth...just something i heard and thought i'd see if anyone knows more
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Originally Posted by bryris
(Post 708980)
This sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me.
They do not care whether you are furloughed or not. They furloughed the pilots in the first place to save money. Now, they are asking you back so they can make money. There is NO desire to get pilots back for the sake of getting pilots back. Their entire business model is predicated on fast turnover - in and out, in and out - to keep the average longevity low. When a gap in work comes up, the company will crunch the numbers and determine the most cost effective way to manage the pilots. They'd put you out of a job for 6 months rather than just keep extra reserves or something for a small gap of time, to save wages expense. Your bills do not matter. Only their's do. Again, this comes down to money. TSA is most likely one of the cheapest bidders out there. In an industry losing money like there is no tomorrow, they can do the job cheaper because of all the reasons we already know about. Actually, these two statements compliment each other nicely. There is NO loyalty to anyone/anything besides money. From the viewpoint of management, the entire pilot group is just a nameless, faceless mass, to be altered and manipulated however needed to achieve the necessary structure. I am not saying that there is evil and malice thought on the part of management. They are all more likely good and decent people. But their motives are financial and nothing else. Its business, not personal. One of the major side effects to the regional situation, as we all know, is this "musical chair" BS that is played. From the pilot's viewpoint, its all luck on who gets awarded and who loses out on flying. |
Originally Posted by expectholding
(Post 708986)
i heard something in the ORD crew room today to the effect that the union had some kind of issue with the recalls and now there isn't gonna be anything. i dont know details, and i certainly dont report it as truth...just something i heard and thought i'd see if anyone knows more
More pilots flying = more money for the union. Why the heck would they have issue with that. MYTH BUSTED... If it turns out to be true, it would be nothing more than management trying to play off our emotions and that they had no intention to recall anyone to begin with. Don't get too excited, don't read to much into anything. And as always, dont believe anything until your flying in it.. |
Originally Posted by expectholding
(Post 708986)
i heard something in the ORD crew room today to the effect that the union had some kind of issue with the recalls and now there isn't gonna be anything.
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I seriously doubt its a hoax. Even that is beneath them, in my opinion.
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Guys & Gals, let's keep the rumors to a minimum. Remember that there are people on furlough right now that are ready to come back. Some are working crap jobs that they hate and some are still unemployed, and this is a ray of sunshine for them.
I hope this is not a hoax... This is putting a lot of people in an awkward position. Do you accept the recall? Plan to move to IAD? and Quit your current job? All to have the company not recall you.... Like bryris said, I hope that management is above doing this. |
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