Applied 11/18 Have not heard anything. Have prior 121 and all the Minimums. No Internal Rec.

Hmmmm. So, it appears that pilots are getting turned down or not getting a reply. I looked over the app and it asks you whether or not you are subject to recall. Its asks it in such a way that makes me believe that if you answer yes you won't get called.


So my question is, are they not taking guys who are furloughed? How many guys would give up their position to jump ship to awac. Considering that if they still have a position they've rode out a furlough at their current employer (and jumping to the bottom of another list just wouldn't make sense).

it just seems as though its a 'weeding out' question even though they say they prefer guys with 121 experience. They must know that 90% of every 121 guy is 'subject' to recall. The other 10% are folks whose companies are sadly no more.

Someone mentioned internal recs is the only way in. Probably. Is there anyone out there who actually has an interview?

I think it's all just dumb luck. I had an internal rec. and checked not subject to recall since I am not furloughed yet and have way more time than when they gave me an interview last time. However times have changed and even guys with thousands of hours of PIC are iffy for an interview. Good luck CFI's.

They have people on furlough.....

Even though I don't think the question is for weeding out people. It's a very valid question. You can dance around it when you're there but they know more than us that a high percentage of people don't stick around when their recall number is called. It's probably lower for 121 to 121 but you're going to look out for your interests. I had a horrible time finding another flying job because of this in the pt91 world because they automatically assume you might be recalled next month.

It's a Catch-22. They want folks with high experience, which naturally assumes a long time at a 121 carrier. But if you've had a long time at a 121 carrier you are subject to recall and probably have a few people behind you as well.

I suspect the best candidates are going to be folks who have a year or less at their respective 121 carriers and for whom there is no huge incentive to go back, like third or fourth year pay. Or whose airline may never be as large as it was (Mesa).

And they have not always had a high amount of success with folks who had 10 years of experience and tons of time at a previous carrier.

Based on what I have seen in the past they will want qualified folks who are prepared to learn and spend at least a couple of years with AWAC. They don't need folks who will come in with the intent of 'rocking the boat', creating a tough time for the training department, bad attitudes, etc.

There are currently 22 pilots on furlough with AWAC seniority numbers. How many of them accept a recall is unknown. But it probably won't be all of them. If the flying swings upwards for the summer of 2010 like it has in previous years, those 22 will not be enough to cover the flying. We'll have to run a class or two and do some upgrades, probably all of those who had been downgraded and maybe even a few more.

Attrition is very slow, but not absolutely stopped. There have been some resignations over the past 18 months of stagnation and I have moved up about 20 spots on the seniority list in spite of the horrible job conditions.

There are worse places to work than AWAC. Probably better ones too. But if you live near one of the domiciles it might not be a bad place for you, at least if you keep in mind that that could change....

There's also not a hell of a lot of work in the Part 91 world right now...and thousands of unemployed, highly experienced corporate pilots looking for work.

I applied, checked off the furloughed box. Got the Thanks but no thanks letter..LOL.

I applied, more out of curiosity than anything else... Got the "No thanks" email this morning. I've got my ATP/CFI/CFII, about 1800 hrs, 1100 PIC, 700 turbine, 800 multi and 135 turbine experience. Figured I was at least qualified as an entry level regional f/o, I guess not!

Got the no thanks letter. I am a furloughed frac pilot 5000 hours atp cfii,ii,mei typed in CRJ and 3 business jets. I couldnt have afforded to take the job anyway. Unemployment pays a little more. I guess they are not interested in furloughed pilots.

Well they turned me down. Said they were going to pursue other folks. Hey you win some, you lose some. Not the only place that's going to be hiring - or the only airline to work for. :cool:

My interest is piqued... Has anybody NOT gotten the thanks but no thanks letter?

Furthermore I think AWAC is as good a place to be as anywhere. I'm a SkyWester and my best bud is at Wisconsin so naturally we compare our situations. It seems you have far less lifers than we do which means more movement once things pickup. You have far fewer airframes, so if you got awarded flying, even a small amount, it would make a big difference (we gain and lose 10 A/C for United every few months). Great contract, and with the new scheduling and trip adding/splitting software their QOL just got better, (although with PBS and our "Skedplus+" I still get better schedules but thats a whole 'nother can of worms). So I really think it sounds like a great place to be.

You pretty much need an internal recommendation everywhere these days, especially if there is very limited hiring, like AWAC only going to hire 20-30 guys. FWIW, I heard from an AWAC guy they got an e-mail from HR saying where to send internal recs and resumes, but your recommendation almost has to come from someone who is a pilot at AWAC and you have flown with in the past.

I just got the thanks but no thanks email today. Applied 11/18.

Buddy don’t try to make it harder!!!! It's nothing to do with recall...I'm not recall. I'm currently flying as part 121. With bla, bla, bla. I received - THANK BUT NOT THANK!!! Also.

No matters what is your time, your experience you need to have "inter. rec." You don't have to be a rocket scientist. They turned down guys with 4,000 hrs, part 121, Crj type.

I got my
"We regret to inform you that after reviewing your application, we will be pursuing other candidates"... e-mail today.... Oh shucks... I'm not worthy.


4700TT/640Multi Military/Part 135 experience, no internal rec....

no rejection letter yet...all it says is that my application is under review. maybe ill get rejected tomorrow.

ive got no internal recs w 2600/1350 and a recall number.

Just a thought, no reply necessary, but WHAT IF, you were someone that had an English - Anglo sounding last name, were young and fit , had good credit, came from money so they knew you would not go without, so to speak. Had an Eddie Haskel like personality, carried your log book in a special custom carry case. Do you think this,"imaginary dude", would get rejected from Air Wisconsin?


Feel free to opine............


Mind you, none of the above warrants any merit regarding your flying abilities.

AW response
 

I have just applied to AWC and I got a response rather quickly for the phone interview

You must be Sully

I don't think he has in internal recommendation, therefore it's not Sully.

I applied 12/2 no thanks but no thanks letter just yet...

I applied 12/5...and no, thanks but no thanks letter yet....my application is still "not reviewed yet"..its only a matter of days before i get the NO thanks letter..

low timer here..but ive met all the requirments...

im not hopeful..with reading some of the posts here..hah

I just checked on the status of my application....not being considered at this time. I'll keep trying!

Mine still says "being reviewed." I applied almost a month ago. Guess they havent got to mine yet.

Mine says "entered by employer", I applied about a month ago as well. I also got an email telling me to send an updated resume to the HR guys.

Application Date Job Code Title Status 11/30/2009 09-0841 CRJ FIRST OFFICER Being Reviewed

What's your times?

Mine is still being reviewed...entered 12/5

theaviator..when did you submit?

Has anyone been contacted by AWAC!? If so how much time? Internal Rec? Furloughed?

Submitted 11/30, rejected. CRJ typed, 600+ in type. Good luck, it's competitive.

submitted 11/18, 400 in type, "being reviewed"......maybe!?!?!?

Submitted 11/23, 4015 TT, 1260 hours in type, "being reviewed".....maybe??!!??

Submitted 11/19 No time in type, 2600/1300. Being Reviewed. Fingers crossed.

Not applying, 930TT/70ME, soon to be Learjet Typed, not being reviewed, applying to ATC...I wish you all the best!

Well, we'll see. "Being Reviewed." I'm furloughed since January, 7500 total with 3400+ of it in CRJ's (no type in CRJ.) I am typed in Lear Jet, ERJ 170/190, and B737. I'm really ready to go back to work (just like the rest of you I'm sure!) I'm always optimistic!:)

what were your times looking like? Did yours say "being reviewed" before it said "entered by employer"?

If it did, I didnt catch it. Its said entered by employer for weeks not. I am a Comair furloughee with 1,100 hours 400 in the CRJ.

still under review...applied 12/5