It doesn't matter. Low time is not an absolute indicator of success in the training process.

A few years ago we had quite a few folks come over from a couple of other carriers. Some of them were high-time captains and had thousands of hours in the same type of airplane. Some of them flunked out. Others had attitude problems. Still others weren't happy after a few months.

They're not looking for pilots with tens of thousands of hours. They're looking for professionals who will fit in with the corporate culture, who won't have bad attitudes, who will try hard in training, who will be competent (not perfect), who they can expect to keep for while, etc.

They're not looking for Chuck Yeager or Neil Armstrong or former 747 captains.

Keep trying. Persistence can pay off.

AWAC has good points and bad points. One of the good points is that we have a good, solid pilot group of professionals (mostly) who try to get along and do the right thing. If you think you can fit in with that keep trying. If someone thinks they are going to reinvent aviation they probably won't succeed.

Anyway.... Just because you are 'low' time doesn't mean everything. They are selective in hiring and training, but high time is not the only metric.

Just sayin'...

I was told they got 1100+ applications over 3 days, and they are hiring maybe 10-12 pilots, with the possibility of 30. That's about 1%. They already held interviews last week, but I'm not sure of the exact number of applicants with the majority being furloughed pilots (Mesaba, Comair, Mesa, etc.)

As far as the min. requirements: 1500TT/500ME & Turbine Experience. Airline experience preferred.

Eagle is going to hire and they have a post 2015 plan.

definitely all good, sound advice. I know a lot of people are competing for jobs, but trust me when I say I have been more than persistent, and I'm sure the recruiter knows who I am. I also have a couple of internal recs, so we'll see I guess.

i have 1400TT 1200 multi turbine 135....and under review since 12/5..idk if its because they are really "reviewing" my app, or they probably haven't got to it yet.

I just checked to see my status and it says Being Reviewed. I can't remember it it has always said that or if it used to be Under Review and if there's even a difference.

Originally Posted by saab2000
It doesn't matter. Low time is not an absolute indicator of success in the training process.

A few years ago we had quite a few folks come over from a couple of other carriers. Some of them were high-time captains and had thousands of hours in the same type of airplane. Some of them flunked out. Others had attitude problems. Still others weren't happy after a few months.

They're not looking for pilots with tens of thousands of hours. They're looking for professionals who will fit in with the corporate culture, who won't have bad attitudes, who will try hard in training, who will be competent (not perfect), who they can expect to keep for while, etc.

They're not looking for Chuck Yeager or Neil Armstrong or former 747 captains.

Keep trying. Persistence can pay off.

AWAC has good points and bad points. One of the good points is that we have a good, solid pilot group of professionals (mostly) who try to get along and do the right thing. If you think you can fit in with that keep trying. If someone thinks they are going to reinvent aviation they probably won't succeed.

Anyway.... Just because you are 'low' time doesn't mean everything. They are selective in hiring and training, but high time is not the only metric.

Just sayin'...





This is just a fancy way of them saying, "if the HR people like you, you are hired. If they don't, you are not."

....just sayin'

Something tells me they've already found all the qualified pilots they would ever need to fill classes...and then some. I just got the rejection letter on Monday saying "we will be pursuing other candidates". My qualifications: 2000TT, 1270ME, 1115 Turbine, 121 experience, internal recommendation with application "walked-in" by management. I was told over 1200 applicants for 10 spots in a class. I'm sure the USA 3000 guys who interviewed got a look before I did, and they had to give up their furlough recall to get jobs. Think of making $56/hr cut down to $25!!! If that's the type of pilots guys like me will be up against, then I doubt anyone with less time than me will get a call sometime this spring. It's just the bleak position we as pilots are all in. Whiskey pays well for a regional, so it'll attract the over-qualified much more so than Eagle.

I guess I'll still be looking for a job! Good luck guys!!!

I exceed the mins. and have a couple of internal recommendations, but I can't get a call. I never understood how Airline HR picks their candidates, never will, but that's just the way it is. They are interviewing more candidates next week, not sure of the number though. My contact told me that from last weeks interviews, 10 candidates will get an offer. Anyone interviewing soon will most likely be placed in a hiring pool. Also, apparently they are working on a preferential hiring agreement with Piedmont & PSA.

Your contact is just about 100% wrong. They offered a handful of people jobs last week (Feb 22nd class) I think 4 total from last week. And interviews are coming up here in the next couple of weeks to hire for a March class. Then that will do it. So... 4 people offered jobs from last week, and probably 4-6 in the coming weeks.

No such "preferential hiring" exists with PSA or Piedmont. Nor is it in the works.

Just thought I'd clear a few things up.

Which is a shame because we really should be offering them a chance, before anyone else.

According to the latest WE ARE ALPA issue PDT has not furloughed. I guess I am just taking an unwanted unpaid vacation. No one cares about US Air wholly pwnds, not even enough to check if we have furloughs. Our MEC puts out emails about how they are working on preferential hiring but even with a few ALPA carriers hiring they still can't manage to get anything worked out. Who cares about 62 pilots anyway?

Kenny,
I agree. There are a LOT of pilots out there who are furloughed and deserve a chance. So even if we hire a Mesa furlough--that is equally as good.

This is not going to be popular but they should be the last we offer jobs to. PDT, PSA and Comair, should be at the top of the list.

He might be misinformed as well. I was just posting the info as I received them, that's why I said "apparently" there is a preferential hiring agreement, but if it is true, I don't know. I guess not.

Yes, it does suck when another regional carrier flying for the same mainline carrier is hiring and another furloughing. I'm furloughed Comair, and I do think it is BS when we were furloughing 300+ pilots and Mesaba and Compass were hiring.

Why? You should be hired based on experience and attitude, not which regional airline that you worked for prior to AWAC. One of my good friends who will be in the FEB 22 class was just laid off from Mesa last month. Great guy, interviewed well I am sure, and was offered a job. Big deal, he is a good guy and a great pilot. So what, he worked for Mesa for two years. Worked out well for him because it was the only regional airline in PHX.

This is a dog eat dog industry. I personally think that a freight dog ought to be offered the position before any previous 121 guys....as they would be fresh, easy to mold to our policies and proceedures, and happy to be here.

That's not entirely true. It is true they have to like you or see some reason for success in training, but it's not true that just because they like you you'll do well in training.

They're looking for people who'll fit in in the company culture and who will have success in training and on the line.

WOW!!

You can glean all that, just from reading a resume?

Genuine supermen (and women) that is for sure. They truly are the best of the best then!!

Surely, I cower, crawl away, hunch and hide in the myriad dark shadows for being unworthy...... Really:rolleyes:

I, myself, am of the disposition that a thorough HR department would require more than that, perhaps bring you in for the interview process.
Unless, they are just sooo good at portending your ability to be a successful pilot by just reading your resume.

Please, please, do not start a flamer by getting off on the wrong foot here,
but, I myself
feel that I am better off not to be around such genius, if indeed they can tell your future probability of sucess with the company just by reading your rez..

If you don't want to work at Air Wisconsin, don't apply.

All I'm saying is that time alone and resumé numbers alone don't guarantee success, at Air Wisconsin or anywhere else. Not sure where you get off on your tangent.

History has shown that not all high timers breeze through training and not all low timers are useless deadweight. That's all.

Fact is that if they have 25 spots and 1000+ applicants it's going to be hard to decide who to pick. Probably hundreds of very, very qualified folks. And I can say with some certainty that it won't be the 25 who simply have the highest time.

Again, if you don't want to work at Air Wisconsin, don't.

TANGENT?



You reject people,

or,

you invite people info an interview, based on what you glean from their resumes.

LISTEN UP !!!

all we want is a fair an honest chance to apply for work!!


What's a tangent? [need FIBER in your diet? surely, if you eat cinnabuns at the airport..]

I would be honored for an opportunity to interview!! Airframe license, ( I am doing the finishing up on this now, I should have it by the beginning of MAY 2010,) ATP single & multi, 3000 plus hours 121 experience, CFI, II, AGI, MEI, B.S & MBA Aeronautics, Masters pending in Airport Management Power plant License pending 2010, (possible FCC REPAIR TECHNICIAN, w radar stamp) ETC.... (not to mention, I am a real easy dude to get along with)....BEATLE JUICE .....
BTW,,,,
No Tickets on my Driver License...... for over 20 years, oh yeah, I am not annoyed by the likes of Mitt Romney, nor Mike Huckabee.

It is complete and total bull turd. The Union should not allow it. These pilots are going back to first year pay flying the same routes with the same name painted on the airplane. Just one more way to keep labor costs down. Isn't this why we are unionized? I thought the election of the new Union friendly administration was going to make it all better.

negative comment.... not worth it...disregard....

Again, I agree. Doesn't look like Prez. Prater's "Take it back" campaign is going too well. If anything what we all see is "Give it away!" Sucks.

No no, you've got it all wrong... it's "they're going to take it all away anyway so we should negotiate how they take it away" They helped us out with age 65... now they've negotiated a deal on taxing health care benefits....not that I think their deal is completely ridiculous... just don't like being told well it's GOING to happen when the house bill doesn't have it and the senate bill did... sounds like a 50/50 chance to me. Of course if you negotiate a deal, then they get to say "well look labor is getting behind it and they're going to be the ones hugely affected, why wouldn't we include it in the joint bill" Thanks ALPA I love being told to shut up and take it.

Rant over, take my soapbox please and return to the topic.

Hey everyone, thought I'd pass on my experience with AW. I'm furloughed NetJets and ex-Chautauqua, 4800tt 3500me. Had my resume walked in by a friend. Got called a couple weeks later for an interview, which was last week in ATW. Nice people overall, easy and short interview, about 15 minutes. During the interview they asked me if I'd resign my seniority at NetJets if offered the postion. I politely told them no and explained why in this volatile industry I am hesitant to give up future opportunities, etc. I got a rejection email today, so that must have been an issue for them. Oh well. I can't justify giving up recall rights at a job that pays 3-4x more per year to go work at a company who may or may not have a future past a few more years. Not to mention, in the company overview presentation, the phrase "we probably won't furlough again this fall" was used twice. How encouraging. Good luck to everyone else seeking a job there. They seem like nice people.

Some of you sound like American Idol rejects.

So guess I'm the guy singing "pants on the ground". just like me, they didn't know what to do with him either!.

You are better off. Don't sweat it.... you have a bright future at NJA (beyond 2015). The economy will improve and the outlook here is bleak. At any rate, good luck to you!

Well, that ain't a good way to attract new pilots and get them excited..lol:D

Easy for you to say, you have a job.

Does anyone know if the second round of interviews are for just today, or does it include wednesday also?.

interview
 

PM me if you need interview information/gouge.

Southwest Management Should Read This
 

If you want to work in an environment where fear and intimidation rule; where management style is dictated as opposed to a joint operation whereby all are free to communicate the needed changes to upper management in order to keep up with competition; where the CP has little to no experience in more than how to cheat on his wife, lie to his friends or belittle his employees, while attempting to spark fear into everyone that works around him, then consider AWAC home!
IF however, you value a little more than spending 100K to get your ratings, only to make $15/hr for 2+ years – then you might want to look elsewhere. But if that sounds good to you then you’re just the person we’ve been looking for. Hop aboard and join the ranks of intelligent people like Whisky. You too may someday make manager or even Chief Pilot….
And if your with Southwest or have any pull with any of their operations decisions – Welcome to the start of your decline! I mean this with the utmost respect to my fellow pilots that have grown sick and tired of the norm here at AWAC. It is management and the people that work in management that are bringing this company down. Allow them to join your ranks at your own risk!

I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier since I didn't read through all of this, but I just heard that they had received over 1,100 applications for the 15 or so spots they are planning to fill. Although things may not be great here all the time, it puts things into perspective. It's nice to have a job in this economy, and I wish the best of luck to everyone who applied. I hope to see some of you on board at whiskey in the near future.

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

for those of you conspiracy theorists who doubt the CP has a type in our aircraft, check out the above link. Of course the FAA could be lying.

or following duckcalls....er I mean swansongs thoughts I could also direct you all to cheaters.com or singlebutmarried.com too. Just a idea.

Good for you on being honest on the seniority issue. There is no way I would give up my NetJets number to come to Air Wisconsin. This place is a deadend you made the right choice.

Of course you could provide us all with his address since this site requires it...
But hey, I say let the conspiracy continue - it detracts from his other incapacities

Actually just put YOUR OWN information. After that you can pretty much search anyone by just putting in a last name. Or just admire your own certificate and medical records.

My application status said "submitted" for about a month, and then for the last few months has been "being reviewed". A couple friends received Thanks but no Thanks emails over a month ago. I have yet to hear either way. Any good thoughts about this or should I just accept that I'm lost in the mix? ;)

removed...not worth the headache