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ohboyeightyone 02-18-2010 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by down2mins (Post 765620)
My application status said "submitted" for about a month, and then for the last few months has been "being reviewed". A couple friends received Thanks but no Thanks emails over a month ago. I have yet to hear either way. Any good thoughts about this or should I just accept that I'm lost in the mix? ;)

Mine says the samething..it's said "being reviewed" since the beginning of january...whats up with that?....and everytime i go and update my app it seems like a lot of the fields are empty..as if i never submitted it completed...

I sent an email to AirWis asking about the status...but havent received a response yet.

Spoilers 02-18-2010 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by down2mins (Post 765620)
My application status said "submitted" for about a month, and then for the last few months has been "being reviewed". A couple friends received Thanks but no Thanks emails over a month ago. I have yet to hear either way. Any good thoughts about this or should I just accept that I'm lost in the mix? ;)

I think you're out of luck, they have already hired a few people and they have already been given a class date for later this month and another sometime in March. It was very limited hiring. I was told maybe 30 new-hires max., but spread out throughout the year

DLAJ77 02-18-2010 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone (Post 765425)
Why is colgan bringing everyone down..and not the whole regional airline industry??..everyone is pointing fingers at colgan..u think working at republic or eagle for 2 more dollars an hour is better?...get a clue..the whole regional airline industry sux!..stop bashing...


If the regionals suck why apply at AWAC to only make 2 more dollars an hour to fly and RJ. AWAC is a regional so I guess we suck??? you best focus on colgan or your local Mac Donalds

ohboyeightyone 02-18-2010 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by DLAJ77 (Post 765757)
If the regionals suck why apply at AWAC to only make 2 more dollars an hour to fly and RJ. AWAC is a regional so I guess we suck??? you best focus on colgan or your local Mac Donalds

I've applied to all that are accepting resume's....yes...all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan...but who ever responds to my resume is who ill interview with..Im not discriminating

DLAJ77 02-18-2010 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone (Post 765764)
I've applied to all that are accepting resume's....yes...all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan...but who ever responds to my resume is who ill interview with..Im not discriminating


AWAC is not better than colgan... right...... right..... continue? i like a little entertainment to start my 4 days off.

BoilerUP 02-18-2010 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone
all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan

Except when it comes to...you know....pay.

saab2000 02-18-2010 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 765796)
Except when it comes to...you know....pay.

And 401k matching...

BlueSkiesAhead 02-18-2010 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 765838)
And 401k matching...

And, well....just about everything else. ;)

Kenny 02-18-2010 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone (Post 765764)
I've applied to all that are accepting resume's....yes...all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan...but who ever responds to my resume is who ill interview with..Im not discriminating


That's either flaimbait or complete ignorance. Either way lets hope you never get as far as an interview at AWAC.

dosbo 02-18-2010 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone (Post 765764)
I've applied to all that are accepting resume's....yes...all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan...but who ever responds to my resume is who ill interview with..Im not discriminating

If you really believe that AWAC is no better than Colgan, then I hope you are lucky enough to get a job at Colgan. It sounds like you deserve it and would be quite happy there.

fosters 02-18-2010 03:54 PM

Colgan has a future, unlike AWAC. Yes I said it, you all know it's true.

dosbo 02-18-2010 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 765954)
Colgan has a future, unlike AWAC. Yes I said it, you all know it's true.

Colgan only has a future until some other company underbids them. At least AWAC'ers will still have their self respect and dignity when they go out of business.
FLAME SUIT ON:D

jparker371 02-18-2010 06:56 PM

colgan vs. awac pilot pay/qol/etc
 

Originally Posted by ohboyeightyone (Post 765764)
I've applied to all that are accepting resume's....yes...all regionals underpay...and awac isnt better than colgan...but who ever responds to my resume is who ill interview with..Im not discriminating

read each companies contract, im sure they are both readily available somewhere online, if you cant tell the difference and cannot distinguish the far superior company to work for, well I really dont know what to tell you.

SWANSONG 02-19-2010 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by whiskey72 (Post 758886)
or following duckcalls....er I mean swansongs thoughts I could also direct you all to cheaters.com or singlebutmarried.com too. Just a idea.

Hey Whiskey, U mind clarifying here? #1 Im not married, #2 do have a gfriend but think u got me confused with another one of your bpals. Bsides - last I checked - this comment makes u hypocrt-of-the-year
BTW - duckcalls?? Is that the best you could come up with!? ...u got much less then half here credit you for...must be cresting that hill

whoareyou310 02-19-2010 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 765954)
Colgan has a future, unlike AWAC. Yes I said it, you all know it's true.


that could be true..but could we please close this thread it has turned pretty sour..or get back on topic please

jparker371 02-19-2010 06:56 PM

still interviewing?
 
back on topic. does anyone have any new information about air wisconsin? additionally, are they still conducting interviews to fill a class? thanks.

groovinaviator 02-20-2010 05:49 AM

Rumor of the day...

I was in ground school last week and the instructor showed us the training dept schedule. The sim schedule has multiple slots designated for hew hires all the way through July.

el jefe 02-20-2010 07:53 AM

4 more captain (re)upgrades in May.

N5139 02-20-2010 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 765954)
Colgan has a future, unlike AWAC. Yes I said it, you all know it's true.

I'd rather be a 4th year FO making $39/hour at AWAC than having what you refer to as a "FUTURE" making $28/hour flying MORE passengers.

I'm not in the 121 game any more, but that's just laughable, man. I have a lot of friends at Colgan, but there is a STARK difference between the two companies, with roughly $11,000 a year being one of them.

You may argue that upgrade is a consideration, but that's like saying a craps table is "hot."

meyers9163 02-21-2010 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by el jefe (Post 766638)
4 more captain (re)upgrades in May.

They are confirmed RE-upgrades, and not people whom passed them up before but are more senior then the downgrades? We had this issue at PSA. All of our downgrades, I think only 1 has re-upgraded.....

saab2000 02-21-2010 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 767054)
They are confirmed RE-upgrades, and not people whom passed them up before but are more senior then the downgrades? We had this issue at PSA. All of our downgrades, I think only 1 has re-upgraded.....

At AWAC it goes by however you have your permanent bid. There are some rules regarding voluntary downgrades IIRC. But otherwise it is simply how you have your permanent bid set up and what your seniority can hold.

Air Wisconsin has only a handful of people who are senior enough to hold captain who have opted not to do so. And I believe they are continuing to bid right seat for QOL. There's at least one in DCA who is senior to myself but bids right seat and bids Nr. 1. Other than the paycheck, it's a pretty enviable position!

Anyway, there have been a number of re-upgrades over the past few months.

fosters 02-21-2010 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by N5139 (Post 766913)
I'd rather be a 4th year FO making $39/hour at AWAC than having what you refer to as a "FUTURE" making $28/hour flying MORE passengers.

I'm not in the 121 game any more, but that's just laughable, man. I have a lot of friends at Colgan, but there is a STARK difference between the two companies, with roughly $11,000 a year being one of them.

You may argue that upgrade is a consideration, but that's like saying a craps table is "hot."

Sure but I don't think there are any 4 year F/O's at Colgan, not a fair comparison.

wags3539 02-21-2010 10:18 AM

Call me crazy, and I don't have any way to back it up, but I'd venture to say that a 4th year FO at AWAC has the potential to earn more, or at least around the same amount as a reserve captain at Colgan. Sure, there would be a discrepancy in the amount of work, but still. (ie. 4th year FO working every day possible and picking up trips on days off.)

I'm a 3rd year FO at AWAC, and have been on reserve all of last year making about 35k without per diem. I have very rarely broken guarantee. The months I did break guarantee, were if I picked anything up on days off, but that was only a couple of times, and it didn't equate to much without the added per diem. I could easily see making over 50k as an FO here if you decide to work that hard and can hold a line.

Jinrai Butai 02-21-2010 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by wags3539 (Post 767145)
I'm a 3rd year FO at AWAC, and have been on reserve all of last year making about 35k without per diem.

Roger Cohen thinks you are being properly and fairly paid. I do not. Man, that really sucks.

wags3539 02-21-2010 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jinrai Butai (Post 767147)
Roger Cohen thinks you are being properly and fairly paid. I do not. Man, that really sucks.

While I'm not defending the low pay in the industry, for the amount of work I did last year (460 hours logged), it really hasn't been that bad. Yes there still needs to be a lot of improvement, and I would be absolutely miserable if I did not live in base about 20 min from the airport, but for now I do.

groovinaviator 02-21-2010 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by wags3539 (Post 767145)

...I could easily see making over 50k as an FO here if you decide to work that hard and can hold a line.


True story... I got pretty close. If you play the AWAC game right QOL doesn't have to suffer too much to make money. I could have easily broke 50k if I were not a commuter.

smackahoCEO 02-22-2010 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 767101)
Sure but I don't think there are any 4 year F/O's at Colgan, not a fair comparison.


You have a lot of nerve seeing as you just got upgraded to captain AGAIN at AWAC. You need to leave if AWAC is that bad. You would be miserable anywhere, you're a glass half empty kind of guy with everything. Get real. Colgan and AWAC is apples and oranges. If you think colgan has a future, then get out of awac and go there. You could be a Captain on a Q400 in 2 years.

fosters 02-22-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 767623)
You have a lot of nerve seeing as you just got upgraded to captain AGAIN at AWAC. You need to leave if AWAC is that bad. You would be miserable anywhere, you're a glass half empty kind of guy with everything. Get real. Colgan and AWAC is apples and oranges. If you think colgan has a future, then get out of awac and go there. You could be a Captain on a Q400 in 2 years.


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 754353)
The economy will improve and the outlook here is bleak.

You said it first buddy!! :)

groovinaviator 02-22-2010 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 767383)
True story... I got pretty close. If you play the AWAC game right QOL doesn't have to suffer too much to make money. I could have easily broke 50k if I were not a commuter.


For February's bid period (Jan31-March01), I will have had 14 days off and will credit at least 131 hours. That's over $5200 (without per diem) before taxes.

It's all about playing the game right. Now someone tell me a quality contract doesn't make a difference. I think I will have only flown about 65 hours when it's all said and done.

smackahoCEO 02-22-2010 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 767770)
You said it first buddy!! :)

The outlook is bleak but to say that you have more of a future at colgan is not accurate. The outlook is bleak at AWAC. There was no future here when United dumped us and look what happened. For you to make $70,000 as a Captain here (once you upgrade again) and say that AWAC is such a horrible place to be is bogus. I would say that AWAC has more of a future than many of our fellow regionals Mesa, Piedmont, PSA, Great Lakes, etc. Depending on what these majors decide to do with Republic we may have more of a future here than you would there too. Nobody can predict the future, but complaining about literally everything is not the best either.

expediteplease 02-23-2010 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 767847)
For February's bid period (Jan31-March01), I will have had 14 days off and will credit at least 131 hours. That's over $5200 (without per diem) before taxes.

It's all about playing the game right. Now someone tell me a quality contract doesn't make a difference. I think I will have only flown about 65 hours when it's all said and done.

You make it sound like our schedules are great, which they are not. How many times did you have to commute the night before or the night after for your trip? Also, you are probably in the top 10 in base for you to be able to get these schedules. I'm happy that the system works for you but from my experience, I have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting a turn dropped to make a commute or swapping a trip to better my schedule.

fosters 02-24-2010 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by expediteplease (Post 768401)
You make it sound like our schedules are great, which they are not. How many times did you have to commute the night before or the night after for your trip? Also, you are probably in the top 10 in base for you to be able to get these schedules. I'm happy that the system works for you but from my experience, I have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting a turn dropped to make a commute or swapping a trip to better my schedule.


I was 1 and 2 in base and never got a schedule like that...he is working over his vacation.

Kenny 02-24-2010 12:52 PM

He's worked out how to play the system. Either he's had trips dropped fpr WX, had vacation or had Ground School.

If you start out with a 95 hour line, getting it bumped up to 120 can be done without too much effort.

saab2000 02-25-2010 04:32 AM

For me QOL and days off are king right now. I don't think I've had less than 15 days off in a single bid period in 6 months. And I don't bid high in my domicile. Generally it's been 39 of 49 since I got displaced to my current domicile about 19 months ago.

Generally I get 16-17 days off per month. And I generally get more than the minimum 75 hours on my paycheck.

groovinaviator 02-25-2010 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Kenny (Post 768820)
He's worked out how to play the system. Either he's had trips dropped fpr WX, had vacation or had Ground School.

If you start out with a 95 hour line, getting it bumped up to 120 can be done without too much effort.

Relief lines have the potential to be turned into gold.

No vacation. Ground school yes. I bid around #40 out of PHL. I had a relief line with a fair amount of flying.... well under 75 hours block credit though. Although I was a victim of the 2 winter weather events early in the month somehow I was not able to profiteer from either one. I have had to commute a day early or late only twice (typically 3-4 times per month). On another lucky note I just found out a 3-day has been dropped with pay so my LCA captain can do OE for a furlough recall... that's just a lucky break.

This month is an anomaly for me, but usually I can break 100 hour credit without too much hassle or additional sacrifice.

Gajre539 06-21-2010 12:27 PM

Anyone else get a call from AWAC? Any one have any info on recent interview experiences?

Natca 06-21-2010 01:43 PM

I got a call, I am thinking of taking the offer.

Alfa Charlie 06-21-2010 03:08 PM

Does any one knows if they re-hire people that worked for them?
AC

saab2000 06-21-2010 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Alfa Charlie (Post 830087)
Does any one knows if they re-hire people that worked for them?
AC

It is generally not done, but there have been instances of this happening. Anyone returning would come back at the bottom of the seniority list. The chief pilot was a former line pilot who left at one point and was re-hired last year into his current position. We also have another DCA pilot who left years ago and spent a long time captaining DC-8s, but he never left voluntarily as he had been furloughed and simply never returned. But he was re-hired about 8 or 9 years ago and kept his old employee number, but not his previous seniority.

So it is not unprecedented, but it is generally not done. But it could happen if the candidate in question had previously been successful and left on good terms I suppose.

Alfa Charlie 06-21-2010 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 830124)
It is generally not done, but there have been instances of this happening. Anyone returning would come back at the bottom of the seniority list. The chief pilot was a former line pilot who left at one point and was re-hired last year into his current position. We also have another DCA pilot who left years ago and spent a long time captaining DC-8s, but he never left voluntarily as he had been furloughed and simply never returned. But he was re-hired about 8 or 9 years ago and kept his old employee number, but not his previous seniority.

So it is not unprecedented, but it is generally not done. But it could happen if the candidate in question had previously been successful and left on good terms I suppose.

Thanks saab2000.


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