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Old 12-06-2009 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
but stop crucifying the RAH guys... they agian have no say in this.
Thank you.
Old 12-06-2009 | 05:00 AM
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Thank you.
There is blood on the RAH pilots hands. Unwillingness and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
Old 12-06-2009 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jetGlue
There is blood on the RAH pilots hands. Unwillingness and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
How long has this "travesty" been going on for... 4 months at the most?!? Again, why do some guys seems to think this integration should happen over night? As YXnot posted a timetable of the integration that alone proves ALL groups are willing and actively working to solve this crap situation for all groups (Midwest guys especially).

You should be ashamed of yourself for saying of all people that the PILOTS of RAH have blood on their hands! If that is your logic, than Southwest pilots also have blood on their hands when ATA fell and their pilots got sent packing right? Or how about the laid off AWA guys senior to actively flying new hire's at Airways... do those Airways guys have blood on their hands as well? No, they dont! When airlines are merged/acquired their will be blood... but on the managements and or unions hands, not the pawns. I hope you never have to experience a merge, believe me... its not the most pleasant thing for any group involved. But if you do, maybe you will understand how out of touch your perspective is.

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Old 12-06-2009 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jetGlue
and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
There, you said it yourself. An inability is something out of someone's control.
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Originally Posted by MD80
Republic EXCO will fill all the jobs with furloughed Republic pilots and new hires to help Rev BB cost labor costs.

I just hope the arbitrator sees though the actions of the Teamster Union and Rev BB to bypass the Midwest Pilots labor contract.

"All commercial flight operations (whether revenue, non-revenue, scheduled or non-scheduled) conducted by the Company will be flown by pilots whose names appear on the Midwest Airlines, Inc., Pilot System Seniority List."

but since YX Inc. doesn't exist anymore, this is N/A....
Old 12-06-2009 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by YXnot
Timeline for Section 13(b) Alternative Dispute Resolution
Process Using November 3, 2009 Effective Date
DATE SECTION DESCRIPTION
November 13, 2009 §IV(a) Each committee to submit list of
3 acceptable arbitrators /mediators;
RAH to submit list of 3
acceptable arbitrators
November 18, 2009 §IV(b) Conference to select
arbitrator/mediator
November 24, 2009 §I(a) Last date for committees to
request information from RAH
December 3, 2009 §I(a) RAH to produce information
requested 11/24
December 13, 2009 §II(a) Exchange of verified seniority
lists and CBAs
December 18, 2009 §II(b) Exchange of integration
proposals
December 28, 2009 §II(c) Beginning of conferences re
integration
January 12, 2010 §III(a) Any committee may request
mediation
February 11, 2010 §II(f) Any party may invoke arbitration
February 19, 2010 §V(a) Pre-hearing conference
March 12, 2010 §V(b) Hearing begins
May 11, 2010 §V(d) Proposed award
May 31, 2010 §V(e) Final award

I spoke to a furloughed RAH pilot the other day and he knew nothing of this agreed to timetable. Despite his impending recall. He complained about the lack of info from IBT,but I was surprised to find out he was so uninformed.

MEH council 30 keeps us updated weekly via e-mail and on the ALPA site.
it's not like they have anything else to do....
Old 12-06-2009 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
How long has this "travesty" been going on for... 4 months at the most?!? Again, why do some guys seems to think this integration should happen over night? As YXnot posted a timetable of the integration that alone proves ALL groups are willing and actively working to solve this crap situation for all groups Midwesst guys especially.

You should be ashamed of yourself for saying of all people that the PILOTS of RAH have blood on their hands! If that is your logic, than Southwest pilots also have blood on their hands when ATA fell and their pilots got sent packing right? Or how about the laid off AWA guys senior to actively flying new hire's at Airways... do those Airways guys have blood on their hands as well? No, they dont! When airlines are merged/acquired their will be blood... but on the managements and or unions hands, not the pawns. I hope you never have to experience a merge, believe me... its not the most pleasant thing for any group involved. But if you do, maybe you will understand how out of touch your perspective is.

Why would a integration take 9-10 months? Because Republic pilots want all the jobs at Midwest.

Delta/NWA integration took less time.

SWA wanted to make a integration deal with Frontier in two days... too fast I agree.

It's pretty simply, you have to discuss lets say 6 ways to integrate a seniority list. If you can't agree then it goes to arbitration, period. No more than 4 months is needed... 1 month of talks followed by 3 months for arbitration.
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Originally Posted by jetGlue
There is blood on the RAH pilots hands. Unwillingness and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.

.........+1
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So should we have let YX go out of business? Their management and sorry union did that to them. Maybe if we just watched them go out of business without our help they wouldn't be crying soo much. If you don't like the circumstances then do us all favors and don't come over! We helped YX remember, they brought nothing to the table!
Old 12-06-2009 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by COPILOT
So should we have let X go out of business? Their management and sorry union did that to them. Maybe if we just watched them go out of business without our help they wouldn't be crying soo much. If you don't like the circumstances then do us all favors and don't come over! We helped YX remember, they brought nothing to the table!
You make it sound like RAH did Midwest a favor............Wrong, I guarantee all Midwest pilots would rather see the place go chapter 11 then let you move in. Your statement along with your fellow comrades amaze me. Does RAH serve Kool-Aid in a sippy cup?
Hang tough original Midwest!

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