putting life on hold
06-27-2006, 05:49 AM
#31
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Not Sure
Originally Posted by fosters
I believe Horizon's pay system is based on what your senority can hold, not what you are flying. For example, if you have been there 30 years and can hold CRJ captain, but are flying the Q400, you still get CRJ pay.
I don't think that is accurate. Why else would they have different pay rates for captains? Besides what would be the motivation to move up in equipment if you were not going to earn more?
SkyHigh
06-27-2006, 06:20 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
From what I read, you're a co-pilot with UPS, bad attitude and all. Cool. I'll be retiring soon enough, but in the meantime perhaps all your friends can hook-on as waitresses, secretaries, nurses, or the like...
BTW, 95% of my friends that I was talking about are guys.
06-27-2006, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brav989
And life is a gamble. I myself am not content sitting here working a job like this my whole life or even more than a couple of years. It does not challenge me, there is no room for upgrade and there is no risk involved. To me life is a risk, you will get scared, but if you don't push forward and try to better yourself because you're scared of the risk and failure, then you lose at life.
06-27-2006, 06:27 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
I am with you. Making money working my a$$ off and with overtime just doesn't seem appealing even if it will make more than a pilot. I worked my a$$ off to get a decent airline job so I wouldn't have to work my a$$ off forever.
06-27-2006, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Let's not forget the years of loading piston cargo planes at 3:00am in the freezing wind for less than half of your ice cream truck pay.
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A doctor who starts at age 18 studying to be a physician, will practice by the age of 29, assuming hes only general practice. Okay so he starts at around 100,000 or so a year and the pay gets better and better. Sure he's in a lot of debt from it (i knew a doctor to have 450,000 in student loans - 4 year private univeristy 4 year private medical school). But in the end he'll make a lot more money than some guy who makes 50k starting at age 18 until retirement.
Assuming a doctor never made more than that starting 100k, started at age 29, worked til 60. He made 3.1 million dollars in 31 years. That 50k a year guy worked 42 years, which would be 11 years more, and made 1 million less. But of course that doctor would probably eventually make well over 200k a year.
My uncle right now works 1 day a week in an urgent care unit and probably makes roughly $50,000 a year on his 10 hour work week, in addition to his military pension (colonel)
06-27-2006, 07:23 AM
#36
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Uncertain
Originally Posted by Brav989
Yes all of this is probably true, but the point is eventually you will make a pretty good wage. 75,80,90 100k. At this job you will probably never break the 50k mark.
A doctor who starts at age 18 studying to be a physician, will practice by the age of 29, assuming hes only general practice. Okay so he starts at around 100,000 or so a year and the pay gets better and better. Sure he's in a lot of debt from it (i knew a doctor to have 450,000 in student loans - 4 year private univeristy 4 year private medical school). But in the end he'll make a lot more money than some guy who makes 50k starting at age 18 until retirement.
Assuming a doctor never made more than that starting 100k, started at age 29, worked til 60. He made 3.1 million dollars in 31 years. That 50k a year guy worked 42 years, which would be 11 years more, and made 1 million less. But of course that doctor would probably eventually make well over 200k a year.
My uncle right now works 1 day a week in an urgent care unit and probably makes roughly $50,000 a year on his 10 hour work week, in addition to his military pension (colonel)
A doctor who starts at age 18 studying to be a physician, will practice by the age of 29, assuming hes only general practice. Okay so he starts at around 100,000 or so a year and the pay gets better and better. Sure he's in a lot of debt from it (i knew a doctor to have 450,000 in student loans - 4 year private univeristy 4 year private medical school). But in the end he'll make a lot more money than some guy who makes 50k starting at age 18 until retirement.
Assuming a doctor never made more than that starting 100k, started at age 29, worked til 60. He made 3.1 million dollars in 31 years. That 50k a year guy worked 42 years, which would be 11 years more, and made 1 million less. But of course that doctor would probably eventually make well over 200k a year.
My uncle right now works 1 day a week in an urgent care unit and probably makes roughly $50,000 a year on his 10 hour work week, in addition to his military pension (colonel)
At least a medical doctor can find a good paying job in most any town. Don't forget to subtract for lost wages, training costs, lost years in school and the potential that the money has to serve you better invested someplace else.
You don't even know if you will ever get a job. It is my opinion that most do not. Even if you did a regional gig is likely to be years off. Perspective pilots love to assume on the high side. A better plan is to estimate low and hope to do better. You don't even know if there will even be a Horizon Air in the future. By the time you get there everything will have changed. Possibly for the better however most likely not.
There is a reason why firefighters, police, heavy equipment operators and other working class people have campers, boats, own homes and have the time to enjoy it all. They have earned a good wage from day one and do not have a mountain of student loans to pay back. By the time a pilot is lucky enough to attract a major airline his peer who joined the army at 18 is ready to retire. It isn't the size of the paycheck that makes a difference but the duration of earnings and benefits versus costs of employment. We can make money mistakes but going heavily in debt for a job that most likely will not pan out and at best will leave you employed but destitute is nonsense.
SKyHigh
06-27-2006, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
At least a medical doctor can find a good paying job in most any town. Don't forget to subtract for lost wages, training costs, lost years in school and the potential that the money has to serve you better invested someplace else.
You don't even know if you will ever get a job. It is my opinion that most do not. Even if you did a regional gig is likely to be years off. Perspective pilots love to assume on the high side. A better plan is to estimate low and hope to do better. You don't even know if there will even be a Horizon Air in the future. By the time you get there everything will have changed. Possibly for the better however most likely not.
There is a reason why firefighters, police, heavy equipment operators and other working class people have campers, boats, own homes and have the time to enjoy it all. They have earned a good wage from day one and do not have a mountain of student loans to pay back. By the time a pilot is lucky enough to attract a major airline his peer who joined the army at 18 is ready to retire. It isn't the size of the paycheck that makes a difference but the duration of earnings and benefits versus costs of employment. We can make money mistakes but going heavily in debt for a job that most likely will not pan out and at best will leave you employed but destitute is nonsense.
SKyHigh
You don't even know if you will ever get a job. It is my opinion that most do not. Even if you did a regional gig is likely to be years off. Perspective pilots love to assume on the high side. A better plan is to estimate low and hope to do better. You don't even know if there will even be a Horizon Air in the future. By the time you get there everything will have changed. Possibly for the better however most likely not.
There is a reason why firefighters, police, heavy equipment operators and other working class people have campers, boats, own homes and have the time to enjoy it all. They have earned a good wage from day one and do not have a mountain of student loans to pay back. By the time a pilot is lucky enough to attract a major airline his peer who joined the army at 18 is ready to retire. It isn't the size of the paycheck that makes a difference but the duration of earnings and benefits versus costs of employment. We can make money mistakes but going heavily in debt for a job that most likely will not pan out and at best will leave you employed but destitute is nonsense.
SKyHigh
And yes someone who enlisted in the army at 18 can retire at 38..but enlisted pensions are crap and you will be working well after 38 I guarantee it. And most police officers do have Bachelor degrees, a lot of masters and even some have JD degrees as well. So they are far from uneducated formally.
06-27-2006, 05:00 PM
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[QUOTE=Brav989]Well..don't go in debt then. I mean for my pilot training I don't intend to go to an ERAU, DC, RAA or the such. Really isn't a point other than to spend money you do not have.
And yes someone who enlisted in the army at 18 can retire at 38..but enlisted pensions are crap and you will be working well after 38 I guarantee it. And most police officers do have Bachelor degrees, a lot of masters and even some have JD degrees as well. So they are far from uneducated formally.[/QUOTE]
We do? You wont meet too many lawers in cruisers working late outs.
And yes someone who enlisted in the army at 18 can retire at 38..but enlisted pensions are crap and you will be working well after 38 I guarantee it. And most police officers do have Bachelor degrees, a lot of masters and even some have JD degrees as well. So they are far from uneducated formally.[/QUOTE]
We do? You wont meet too many lawers in cruisers working late outs.
06-27-2006, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Brav989
I have known of a couple that had JD degrees and don't know a single officer without at least a bachelor's
Nm..I knew one but he was layed off. But he's working on his degree right now.
Nm..I knew one but he was layed off. But he's working on his degree right now.
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