putting life on hold
06-27-2006, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
It would take a lot more SkyHigh's to get the message out there before we would see a dent in the pilot supply.
I had an interesting conversation with a guy yesterday. He drives a delivery truck for a local lumber yard and has worked for the same place since he was in high school. He is married and has children and at 33 will have his home paid off. No college or help of any kind. Now he is moving on to drive a logging truck for the Indian reservation and with the extra money he expects to buy a cabin and be retired by 45. Pilots have tunnel vision. We are in a rut and don't realize that the outside world has been passing us by in regards to pay and quality of life. The working class will become the middle class and most with fancy jobs and college training will slide to the lower end. In ten years welders will be higher paid than pilots (if they are not already now).
For sport I enjoy telling the workers on the job site how little pilots at Horizon Air earn and watch their faces turn white. Spoiled middle class kids in the university system will not be dissuaded when they are faced with the prospect of getting a real job. However, Most rational adults when presented with the same information will run from aviation like their tail was on fire. All we need to do is to get it out there.
SKyHigh
I had an interesting conversation with a guy yesterday. He drives a delivery truck for a local lumber yard and has worked for the same place since he was in high school. He is married and has children and at 33 will have his home paid off. No college or help of any kind. Now he is moving on to drive a logging truck for the Indian reservation and with the extra money he expects to buy a cabin and be retired by 45. Pilots have tunnel vision. We are in a rut and don't realize that the outside world has been passing us by in regards to pay and quality of life. The working class will become the middle class and most with fancy jobs and college training will slide to the lower end. In ten years welders will be higher paid than pilots (if they are not already now).
For sport I enjoy telling the workers on the job site how little pilots at Horizon Air earn and watch their faces turn white. Spoiled middle class kids in the university system will not be dissuaded when they are faced with the prospect of getting a real job. However, Most rational adults when presented with the same information will run from aviation like their tail was on fire. All we need to do is to get it out there.
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06-27-2006, 05:02 AM
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And welders..they start at about 12-14/hr or so depending on area. But plenty of overtime. I mean if you want to do physical labor your whole life then great have it. I just got a job delivering ice cream products to stores. Should make around 40k-45k or so/yr. Dropped out of college and i'm 21. I mean yea sure that is OK money, esp for my age, but I wouldn't want to do labor BS the rest of my life. Which is why I don't see myself at this place more than two years tops, and that is pushing it really.
06-27-2006, 05:10 AM
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Power
Originally Posted by Brav989
Wouldn't the working class having the 'power' basically be Communism/Trotskyism or the sort? As far as I know it has not worked too well in history yet
I don't think that the working class will be in power. My opinion is that it is all to easy for a company to find an educated pilot or manager but becoming increasingly difficult to find responsible and capable people to preform work functions like plumbing and welding. In the town that I live in high school drop outs can earn 40K as long as they show up to the job site most of the time and don't gripe to much. My brother is a construction manager of a large job and tells me that they have a union worker on site who's job is to sweep all day and appears drunk most of the time. He earns 55K. If you count all the years of education, training and low wage experience building it would take most pilots 15 years to reach that much income.
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06-27-2006, 05:13 AM
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Congratulations
Originally Posted by Brav989
And welders..they start at about 12-14/hr or so depending on area. But plenty of overtime. I mean if you want to do physical labor your whole life then great have it. I just got a job delivering ice cream products to stores. Should make around 40k-45k or so/yr. Dropped out of college and i'm 21. I mean yea sure that is OK money, esp for my age, but I wouldn't want to do labor BS the rest of my life. Which is why I don't see myself at this place more than two years tops, and that is pushing it really.
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06-27-2006, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I don't think that the working class will be in power. My opinion is that it is all to easy for a company to find an educated pilot or manager but becoming increasingly difficult to find responsible and capable people to preform work functions like plumbing and welding. In the town that I live in high school drop outs can earn 40K as long as they show up to the job site most of the time and don't gripe to much. My brother is a construction manager of a large job and tells me that they have a union worker on site who's job is to sweep all day and appears drunk most of the time. He earns 55K. If you count all the years of education, training and low wage experience building it would take most pilots 15 years to reach that much income.
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. But again to each their own. People probably should not get into this industry and expect to get rich, and I hope they don't.
06-27-2006, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Yea !! At that wage you will earn more than a newly upgraded captain at Horizon Air !!
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So damned hot here in Portland lately.And ok..year 1 captain Horizon makes about $42,000 on guarantee hours (not reserve). Assuming he NEVER upgrades to a diff aircraft, he will top out at $64,680 based on guarantee..not counting per diem. If he ever moved into a CRJ then $101,640. I will NEVER EVER make near $64,680 at this job..ever
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06-27-2006, 05:24 AM
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And life is a gamble. I myself am not content sitting here working a job like this my whole life or even more than a couple of years. It does not challenge me, there is no room for upgrade and there is no risk involved. To me life is a risk, you will get scared, but if you don't push forward and try to better yourself because you're scared of the risk and failure, then you lose at life.
06-27-2006, 05:41 AM
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Don't forget
Originally Posted by Brav989
True but he's not lifting boxes out of a truck in 100 degree weather So damned hot here in Portland lately.
And ok..year 1 captain Horizon makes about $42,000 on guarantee hours (not reserve). Assuming he NEVER upgrades to a diff aircraft, he will top out at $64,680 based on guarantee..not counting per diem. If he ever moved into a CRJ then $101,640. I will NEVER EVER make near $64,680 at this job..ever
So damned hot here in Portland lately.And ok..year 1 captain Horizon makes about $42,000 on guarantee hours (not reserve). Assuming he NEVER upgrades to a diff aircraft, he will top out at $64,680 based on guarantee..not counting per diem. If he ever moved into a CRJ then $101,640. I will NEVER EVER make near $64,680 at this job..ever
Don't forget to subtract for a full college education, flight training, multiple moves and wasted years of low paid (just yesterday a CFI told me that a good wage in the NW is 13K per year) experience building. I think that if you sat down and did the math including interest for all the loans you will need you will see that the odds are against you doing any better as a pilot.
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06-27-2006, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Brav989
If he ever moved into a CRJ then $101,640
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