That is really, really sad.

How is integrity gonna return to the cockpit when minimum-hours are so low?

The I read another thread about some gig in Hawaii hiring SIC-in-a-Caravan (?) for EIGHT bucks an hour.

I'm speechless.

I doubt it.

so, what areyour aspirations after JAX? Howmuch time do you have? I've seen some members of a certain sex come out of that school, who I wouldn't want to fly around my neighbors dog, let alone my family. scary, scary stuff. If only the public knew

Sadly is seems that young low time incompetent pilots really do not effect the crash statistics in the airlines. The airlines have such a tight, redundant and efficient system that real skill isn't that important anymore. Personally I feel that you could take a guy off the street and in 90 days of rote memorization and repetition could effectively serve as an FO. That is mostly how the military operated in WW2. All a guy needed to know was how to take off and land. Everything else like MX, navigation, radio ops and leadership was handled by support staff. Direction and training was given en route to the next mission. Lately in the regionals it seems that we are heading that way.

SkyHigh

Skyhigh what does it matter to you? You are busy working your construction business or whatever you do. I am beginning to this you are just an attention w h o r e.

Anyways noone is going to get to fly anything that they can't handle. Just because it took you forever, and by you I mean anyone, doesn't mean that is the only path to the regionals. Everyone must still pass the checkrides. Last time I checked they don't pick people that fail most of their check rides.

Last time I checked it doesn't matter how many hours you have when you get hired an airline you start at the bottom. You still have to gain experience before you make captain.

The amount of people that are getting jobs right out of the ACPP is very slim but the number of people taken from ATP's CFI's are high because they receive a ton of ME flight time.

It's sad how people like Skyhigh insult, bagger, and incessantly critisize people about the industry because he couldn't cut it. It's too damn bad that life is hard. It's sad that the construction industry can take mindless workers off the street and build skyscraper. It's embarrassing how the construction industry can take a bunch of illegal immigrants and build 10 miles and highways and bridges. That is definately the wrong path...

This describes people from every culture, every race, every job and so on. Except they couldn't handle high school or college or anything else.

If they are that bad chances are they won't get a job and they will have plenty of time to sit around and complain on APC forums about how bad ATP is.

ATP is just a vehicle for change. As for my aspirations I plan on teaching till I get a job while also doing some IT, trading my stocks & options, completing my degree, and have fun flying. I plan on doing it as fast as I can. In IT I have assimulated larger quantities of information is shorter periods or time with enough ancronyms to make anyone head spin.

I have failed more times than I can count, succeeded some, set huge goals and met them all (except marriage & kids... pray for me), and now I am bored as hell.

I just call it as I see it. I have the benefit of leaving the rose colored glasses behind. It matters to me since young starry eyed kids might wrongfully get the impression that skill, knowledge and experience are a valued commodity in the airlines. What is truly shameful about construction is that a high school drop out meth addict makes more money swinging a hammer than most regional airline pilots. The reason is that it takes some cash to tempt them to go to work. Pilots would work for free if given the opportunity.

As I always say aviation failed me. I was there for almost 20 years giving my all and laying the best years of my youth and everything else I had upon the alter of aviation. At some point you must walk away and salvage what you have left. After a decade or two you also might develop a little self respect and go someplace where you have a chance at a real life and earning a real living.

It is alright if you wish to ignore the obvious. Close your eyes and keep on working to artificially inflate your ego. Others here are interested in self preservation.

SKyHigh

If aviation can fail you then it's just a matter of time before your next job fails you too.

It seems to me that most people get into aviation because they want to fly jets. Your priorities have just changed. QOL is more important to you than continuing to fly for a living. There is nothing wrong with that but I can bet you that if all these kids are getting in glassy eyed and then you were the same way when you got in.

I have tried and failed more things in my 10 years on my own then most people in their whole entire life. I don't go through life with blinders on because I have learned it doesn't help. But I do believe in overnight success. You know... the kind where you bust your tail forever and then out of nowhere people think you just popped out a success.

Noone owes anyone anything. The aviation industry doesn't owe any of us anything. If you believe the aviation industry failed you it's because you believe it owes you something.

And why do I need to inflate my ego. I am just another post on an internet message board.

Buddy some regionals will get you on with a pulse.

You really should not buy into that **** RAA is pushing. I met a guy, biggest idiot in the world walking around an Air Inc job fair with an RJ type rating, nobody would talk to him he had no real world experience. He had his multi commercial about 300 hours and type rating.

Pay your dues put your ass in the right seat with a guy like yourself in the left that is going to auger you into the ground the first chance he gets.

You need to remeber you are going to be interviewed by pilots who busted there asses, not guys with silver spoons and type ratings.

SkyHawq,

Your post is one of the most frightening things I have ever read on this forum. "QOL is more important to you than continuing to fly for a living". What are you some kind of martyr? This is supposed to be a JOB and not a quest to throw your life away over. You are the poster child for everything that is wrong with this industry. Pilots who are prepared to throw their lives away over nothing. Factory created pilot mill losers who are trying to buy their way to happiness with a 100K loan.

By many accounts I was a success at aviation. In fact I bested most to all of my graduation class. In the end it was I who decided that the benefits payed out by the airlines simply wasn't good enough. If you have no self respect and are prepared to throw "QOL" away then you can have it. You haven't even gotten out of the gates yet, and still you feel obligated to assault me for demanding more. I hate to tell you but there is a big fat surprise in your future. Seems like another failure is in store for you and this time with a 100K price tag.

Good Luck because you will need it,

SkyHigh