Q going to Mexico
 

Expressjet replacement?

Do you think it could be the Saab -- seem ridiculously early for Colgan to be requesting expemptions for the Q

More than likely MTY only. The Q simply doesn't have the range to go any further, besides MTY is one of the few markets we serve which is not subject to drift down or terrain clearance limitations.

goaround

Oh you gojets guys....never miss an opportunity do you?

The linked document specifically says it's for the Q400.

If you're bored enough to read the attached pdf, it specifies that it's just for the Q between IAH and MTY, on a seasonal basis.

At least the little part of it I read said that, I'm not quite bored enough to read the rest.

Absolute BS - CAL management racing to the bottom, consumers happy to get cheaper tickets without regard for safety or training of crews. Meanwhile, mainline jobs get outsourced to the lowest bidder and ALPA is powerless to do anything since it'll be ALPA pilots replacing ALPA pilots. ALPA representing both mainline and regional is the best thing that ever happened for management.

Mainline 737 replacement taking the place of several other routes including IAH-DFW, IAH-AUS, EWR-DCA, EWR-BOS.

Wouldn't have made a difference. This has happened to other unions as well, not just ALPA.

Would the CAL pilots be willing to fly the Q400 at Colgan wages to make the flights economical?

thats exactly what I was thinking! LOL

That's heresy. They can fly them for FAIR wages and still be economical!

Correct. If the Q can fly 50% more pax than a 50 seat RJ with 25% less of the operating cost there should be more money to go around for the pilots.

Yes there should be, but I won't hold my breath!

Yes and monkeys poop in their hand and throw it!

But you are already signed up to fly the Q in IAH when they come down, so are you the Monkey in this example or.....;)

Yes I am and I KNOW who I would throw it at:cool:

enjoy Mexico..............., nothing like the smell of burning poo in the morning to really get your day started :)

You will get the nice long sandwiches.............I will miss those :)

Don't worry Joe. Colgan is not taking over the entire country of Mexico, contrary to popular belief on this forum. There is plenty of Mexico for XJet, and more importantly, plenty of buring poo for us all.

Everyone knows MTY is Mexico-lite, anyway. ILSs, and no real terrain if you're coming in from the northeast. So easy, even Colgan can do it. ;)

Yep it's no Oaxaca

Wait 'til they divert to Saltillo....

What are you talking about? Neither are BRO, HRL, MFE. Wait, those aren't technically Mexico.

I love how a bunch of guys who fly planes that fly themselves are talking about the hard flying they do.

Flying single pilot in hard IMC without an autopilot is hard flying. Not relying so much on your technology to get you there, not so much.

(this will serve as a "settle down" to all those guys who will now get upset that I questioned their flying")

i still love you all.

I know you're kidding, but just to clarify, you're attempting to compare apples to oranges here.

You clearly have never shot a VOR/DME arc approach in a non-radar environment, around terrain, to minimums in Mexico. Believe me auto-pilot is irrelevant at that point. Do let me know when you do, it might change your tune....

:D They might as well be! No offense to anyone here, but I do hope Colgan gets the South Texas Bermuda Triangle (BRO, MFE, HRL, LRD).

Que yetlink? tu quieres HELP???

Como se dice "scab" en espanol?

Priceless! :D:D:D

"ZING":o:o:o

OAX/SLW aren't crap compared to how complex RNO was made out to be.

True, but the sad part is this; ANY instrument rated pilot should be able to do the above without really much effort. Toss in the new terrain radar setup and pink needle/PFM and it just makes it all that much easier. Just sayin', it's not as complex as our company makes it out to be, nor as hard as many guys like to make it.

And yes, I'd agree that flying down there is for sure more challenging than just about anything in the U.S. Sadly, there are guys that decided to make it harder for all of us.

Good one dude.

Oh come on that's easy;
El Q piloto colgan. :eek:

Oh my simple GoJet friend, still does not know what a SCAB is.

Come on lighten up. We're only kidding.

I know




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I have... as well as Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, and Suriname under the same conditions... not that big of a deal as long as you have a nice big dip in and Jerry Reed's "Eastbound and Down' is playing in the background... an autopilot is always a good asset unless you don't know how to use it...

Well my bike-riding-70's-latin-lover friend,

I think you and doj missed the point, I wasn't referring to the degree of difficulty involving the maneuver/approach, but rather the challenges that present themselves when operating in such environment.

With regards to the auto-pilot, well, I don't know how reliable VOR's are in Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, or Suriname, but in Mexico, the signal can be spotty at best on the approach face (in some, but not all markets), and it serves better to have the AP off, particularly around terrain. Some guys opt to shoot these approaches coupled to the FMS, but our guidance specifically says that we are to do them on greens, as we're not approved for anything else in Mexico.

Hope that clarifies it a bit. Having done both the turbo-prop (135, no autopilot) and the 121 in a much more advanced Jet, I can tell you both types of flying represent different challenges, but they are still both challenging in their own ways, which was my original point to my incarcerated friend.:cool:

goaround

Gotcha, the AP/FD setup is pretty crappy and not that great of an asset. Which was kinda what I was getting at before though. Any instrument rated pilot should be able to fly the stuff. Things like the PFM of the FMS and terrain radar give an elevated SA level.

Nah... I didn't miss the point... in fact I whole heartedly agree with you... some of the approaches in the countries I listed are more of a guesstimation than an actual approach. At my former company although we had the capability to do GPS approaches they were not authorized (similar to your Op Specs) and were forced to use navaids (partially blocked or not) that led to some of the most interesting approaches I have ever seen in my life.
Back to my previous post.... I was simply trying to throw some humor into the mix... and my autopilot comment was simply a fact... they are wonderful contraptions unless the user is ineffective at which point they become dangerous.