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Old 01-18-2010 | 07:12 PM
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Winglets... I do see you point. But I disagree. Let's just leave it at that. I haven't made up my mind yet on whether or not I'd take a job there. I'll weigh all the advice I've been given, including yours, along with my own personal situation.

usmc-sgt, Thank you for the input. Looks like I have some thinking to do.
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by winglets
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You do realize a lot of the furloughed pilots lost their jobs because it went to cheaper pilots?

Let us also not forget that Colgan flying the Q400s was not Continental first choice, Express Jet was, but they turned the offer down. So for all those Express Jet guys blaming Colgan for their furloughs, (Winglets) I think they need to take a step back and re-evaluate, and thank their old fearless leader Ream
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:32 PM
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Sorry for the previous rant.... sometimes the absurdity makes me nuts.

Thanks NoStep for the vote of confidence. I try to be evenhanded.

A bit of my backround to contrast Sgt's:

Been with Colgan about the same length of time, but refused the Q when hired because I wanted IAH. I flew 10 years in the 135 and corp world, but after closing two companies, I wanted a bit more "stability". I chose Colgan because:
they operated turboprops (and there will always be a market for TPs)
served three carriers vice one
had a large base which would not require me to move and had a low cost of living

As somebody said, if no one applied, something would have to give (some sort of better compensation). But that is true of EVERY airline: mainline and regional. So the best answer is to tell everybody we know how crappy this industry is, then maybe there won't be a zillion wide eyed kids taking lessons.
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Too Tall
Let us also not forget that Colgan flying the Q400s was not Continental first choice, Express Jet was, but they turned the offer down.
In hindsight, it's easy to say XJT should have got BACK into turboprop flying.

But saying that "they turned it down" is an oversimplification of what really happened. IE, not enough airframes/guaranteed length of agreement. Also, the previous CPA was so restrictive that it made many of XJT management's decisions for them. And not always for the better.
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Sorry for the previous rant.... sometimes the absurdity makes me nuts.

Thanks NoStep for the vote of confidence. I try to be evenhanded...

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No prob, buddy. Still no recall from OH, and not feelin' the love from anywhere else,(not even the little Mrs...) That's probably why I'm here on APC, talking to another "Green-tail's" offspring.

btw, loved the Arthur Godfrey flying the Connie thing on youtube...those were the days!
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
In hindsight, it's easy to say XJT should have got BACK into turboprop flying.

But saying that "they turned it down" is an oversimplification of what really happened. IE, not enough airframes/guaranteed length of agreement. Also, the previous CPA was so restrictive that it made many of XJT management's decisions for them. And not always for the better.
Got to be willing to take a risk every once in awhile, 15 initial airframes turned into 45 for Colgan. I think even Expressjet could make a profit with that.
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:49 PM
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I cant believe everyone is still up talking about Colgan
Old 01-18-2010 | 07:50 PM
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Im off till the first week of Feb....I have nothing else to do
Old 01-18-2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Too Tall
Got to be willing to take a risk every once in awhile, 15 initial airframes turned into 45 for Colgan.
At that time, that wasn't the "willing to take a risk" direction that they could go. AGAIN, much of it boils down to the previous CPA. It's amazing how much people DON'T know about that, and how in a lot of ways it prevented XJT management from making certain decisions.

Originally Posted by Too Tall
I think even Expressjet could make a profit with that.
IF, and a BIG IF, XJT was to get the TP's, yep, they could have made a profit. But something to consider that MOST people neglect. XJT flies TP's for X amount of operation cost. We don't have to speculate, it would have been high. Colgan management would fly them for less than X. That's just the reality of it. Remember, CAL went with a low bidder before on their regional feed, what makes you think that this would have been any different?
Old 01-18-2010 | 08:20 PM
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sorry to get off topic but...

Anybody heard anything from Colgan? How long until they contact you? where's the interview? what are your times? any info would be great. As much as I'd like to hold out for my regional of choice, there's just not much out there right now. Compared to my current job, Colgan would be a step up. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Back to your regularly scheduled whining....

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