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dosbo 02-11-2010 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)
please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

What you apparently don't get is that jumping into the largest aircraft you can as quickly as possible regarless of pay is elimenating jobs at mainline. Every time more 70 and 90 seat aircraft are outsourced to regionals because of people willing to fly them at any cost is removing the very job opportunities you probably started a professional pilot career for yourself.

You're right I can save my bacon. Done it several times in the past 20 years flying both military and civilian. Just curious how many of your thousands of hours of jet time you have actually been the final authority and exercised that privelage.

CaptainTeezy 02-11-2010 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)
please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

You have never let a student take you for a wild ride, that allows you to learn a lot more than just sitting in the right seat of a jet.

You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.

Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.

I will say it again. Major airlines should require 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes as a CFI or 135 single pilot, if you were not a military pilot. The FAA should require an ATP to have 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes. If you disagree you are not thinking clearly.

IBPilot 02-11-2010 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)
please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

How do you have thousands of hours in it? You didn't even have a job this time 2 years ago.....
Plus weren't you furloghed in those 2 years.....??math don't add up!

dosbo 02-11-2010 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 762409)
Mod note:

Interesting subject line - but drop all of the verbal poke in the eyes with all the near name calling (like this last one "oh wise one and others before on boths sides of the fence). this only leads the thread down a path to getting closed when someone finally can't control themselves. You can debate the issue with feeling the need to stick your finger in someone's chest.

USMCFLYR

Don't worry about me, I have a thick skin and sense of humor.

I thought perhaps he was referring to my vast experience.:D

CubCAPTAIN 02-11-2010 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainTeezy (Post 762418)
You have never let a student take you for a wild ride, that allows you to learn a lot more than just sitting in the right seat of a jet.

You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.

Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.

I will say it again. Major airlines should require 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes as a CFI or 135 single pilot, if you were not a military pilot. The FAA should require an ATP to have 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes. If you disagree you are not thinking clearly.


Well said. This guy should come see myself and USMCssgt at our 2000' grass airfield. We'll throw him in a J-3 or PT-17 on a windy day and see if he "has it" as he says. HAHA I'll have 911 on speed dial....

The Juice 02-11-2010 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)
please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Curious but how long were you on the line at Mesa, 1.5 years tops? Where did you get thousands of hours in the jet? FlightSim does not count.

poor pilot 02-11-2010 02:44 PM

The pilots are the problem the toothless union and guys that think everything is just fine and dandy the zero to hero crj900 guy with the right stuff. Its very simple the fact is that the guys that went to Colgan/Mesa and the like went for one reason, quick upgrade. Thoose are the guys that have no self respect the guys that will bend over for a job and a chance to get ahead. If the companies that dont pay and treat the pilots like trash had no applicants the pay would go thru the roof work rules would be great. The issues that we face can be fixed without managements help. People need to stop looking to thoose companies for a job. If a airline is not ALPA then they get no resumes period, its as simple as that I'd rather not work then work for them. I can honestly say I never applied to any of thoose companies for that reason and that reason alone.

dosbo 02-11-2010 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by CubCAPTAIN (Post 762425)
Well said. This guy should come see myself and USMCssgt at our 2000' grass airfield. We'll throw him in a J-3 or PT-17 on a windy day and see if he "has it" as he says. HAHA I'll have 911 on speed dial....

That sounds like fun, can I come too. I'd love to fly a PT-17. :D

tzadik 02-11-2010 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762417)
What you apparently don't get is that jumping into the largest aircraft you can as quickly as possible regarless of pay is elimenating jobs at mainline. Every time more 70 and 90 seat aircraft are outsourced to regionals because of people willing to fly them at any cost is removing the very job opportunities you probably started a professional pilot career for yourself.

You're right I can save my bacon. Done it several times in the past 20 years flying both military and civilian. Just curious how many of your thousands of hours of jet time you have actually been the final authority and exercised that privelage.


well sir then i guess 90% of the people on this regional’s forum are guilty of ruining this industry as i see a lot of CL65, ERJ, E170, DHC-8, and S340 signatures around these parts.. i dont make the decisions on what goes to mainline or to the regional’s and i understand the damaging effects that the regional’s have had on this industry. does that mean all of us should quit our jobs?

and no sir i dont assume to have the experience or knowledge that you have acquired after a 20 year career but i do feel that im competent enough to handle myself in an emergency situation.

poor pilot 02-11-2010 02:49 PM

How much is that loan payment??


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