so is the vote over yet. its almost friday. I cant find when its actually going to happen.

 

It's up for debate in the Senate, they will vote when they are done debating. However it appears senators want to use this as an avenue to add pork.

 

It's not a matter of being a better pilot, Melvin had an ATP. There should be some training behind it. There was a light school offering shared time in a 152 to build ATP hours. Would rather have that guy or someone who sat through 1000 hours of stall recoveries, slow flight, and teaching ground schools to build an actual knowledge base.

I still say the bill falls short. It needs to require companies to supply the type and atp at the time of hire or the on the next pc if you are grandfathered. It also needs to not allow 121 or 135 carriers to sell a pilot seat for the purposes of building experience. This is going to be a hugh mess for anyone trying to build competitive time. It's also going to drive the cost of getting an ATP through the roof. ATP the school charges $2800 for a 4 day course in a seminole. Watch that escalate 3 years from now once it is required that all of the FO's in the industry have to go get an ATP on thier own. the only hope we have is that we build it into our contracts.

I do agree with the bill. I also think it is crap that companies just don't type you from day one. They don't because the know what a crappy job they are giving you and they don't want you to jump ship at the first opportunity. Unfortunatley it is not going to restore anything. The only thing that will restore the career is to go back 20 years and get mainline pilots to not give up scope and to swallow their pride for a moment and fly a 50 passeenger jet at a reasonable pay scale. Mainliners like to think we did this too them. I didn't want to work at regional airline, certainly not for a career. I'd have been quite happy going from a beech 1900 to a 73.

 

I know it's a bit off topic and a little late, but I've got to say it:

I disagree. Airline passengers have such a small amount of contact with their pilots, it leads me to believe the level of professionalism displayed from the flight deck is nearly inconsequential. Perhaps more importantly, I still believe the vast majority of the flying public is unaware of the "professionalism" issue. Awareness is obviously a requisite for behavioral change here.

Increasing "professionalism" among pilots will have no significant impact on demand for air travel. To think it will is, in my opinion, self-serving foolery. Business and pleasure travelers alike will fly when they feel it's worth it to spend the money. And the airline they travel on will continue to be largely dependent on the order in which flights are listed on Priceline.com. (lowest price to highest price)

Also, some have suggested this proposal will improve pilot compensation. I'd like to believe this, but I am again doubtful. Market forces have degraded compensation, and market forces will be required to improve it. With so many well-qualified airmen currently out of work, I feel it will take many years to shore up excess supply. Perhaps by then the FAA will have adopted the new ICAO multi-pilot crew concept, and exempt them from the 1,500 hour rule. This may again break down the barriers of entry and flood the ranks with "qualified" newly minted commercial pilots. But in the mean time, the folks who stack the deck will continue to transform high-time 737 pilots into RJ drivers.

I support this legislation because I believe it has the potential to improve safety. But I don't indulge in the delusion that it may improve my pay and quality of life.

 

Just how do you think it was done before the influx of license mills came around? The instant gratifiction crowd will have to learn to srat earning things the old fashiond way... working your way up, one rung at a time.

That's part of it, but not being able to go from being ink wet, to fast jet is another part of it.

I don't see "mainliners" as you call it, taking jobs for poverty wages, and signing contracts with horrific work rules.

 

As much as I hate to admit this; I almost 100 percent agree with you!

 

I don't think that the cost of an ATP will go through the roof. From what I understand, the ATP can be done during the initial training for a Pilot new hire. You just have to have all the requirements done for the ATP, then do the ride in the Sim at the end of your training

 

I'm all for raising the hiring mins, but that also means if they want more qualified people filling the deck then we need to be paid as a highly qualified professional..not as a cashier at McDonalds...

 

I Hate the quote TAKE IT BACK .. the problem is they Mainline never Wanted it to Begin with and I am not sure the majority want it what ever It is anyway..

 

From my understanding and reading, there's no requirement for FOs to have an ATP or be at ATP mins in the Senate Bill. That was just in the House Bill. The Senate removed it and instead is taking a stance that the FAA and such need to look at certification requirements and make changes there. Once that's done then they'll move on to min. hours for airlines.

Then again, I can't figure out the difference between S.915, 3371, and 1451. They all have pretty much the same content.