What an attitude! Have you ever considered that sched could be calling (on your day off) just to wish you a pleasant day?

Ha! That's funny.

Maybe, but that's risk I'm not willing to take. Na I was kidding, sched has never called me on my day off, I was just quoting The Office.

I agree with him 100%..why would you answer the phone on your day off? I never would!

Just got back from the town hall meeting with FC tonight at the La Quinta training hotel. He talked about the future of the company and what the possibilities would be if we were divested. Things that make you go hmmmm...

And what were those possibilities? Us magically gaining feed flying for other carriers like DAL and UAL?

Flyby, PM sent.

And those possibilities are?

Yeah, don't hide it...spill the beans.

I think this is just the typical event where mgmt shows up at the training hotel periodically when we are hiring to talk to the troops and give everyone a pep talk about how great things are. I remember in the past Bowler would show up with pizza to do the same thing.

I was at the last town hall meeting PB did. It's funny how optimistic he was then two days later...BAM!

I wonder if there is a way that crew scheduling could PM on our days off on APC if they see we're posting...

"First Officer so and so,

We see that you're up...good morning. Yes, most of the upcoming class will be NFC. Yes, I too believe it's utter crap that you can't bid it either. Anyways, I have a Nashville turn with a 1400 sign in. It'll show up in an HI3 in the next few minutes. Thanks.

Regards,

Crew Scheduling

P.S.- I love your avatar.

If that were the case, they still have to verbally talk to you. An ACARS message isn't a valid notification of assignment either.

Any news about when the next flowplan might be?

Wait until the next contract. My guess is we will get something sweet like ipads to replace all our paper charts and manuals, but along with that Crew Scheduling will have complete access to notifying us at any time they want. Add WiFi in our RJs and there will be no place to hide from them!

LOL HAHAH That thought never crossed my mind... :/ give a little take a lot!!!

Has anyone that interviewed the week of Nov 22nd-Nov 29th get a class date yet? I interviewed on the 22nd and passed stage 2 and already did the drug test, but no call for a class date yet. I was hoping for Jan 3rd.

Im waiting also. Dec 1 interview stage 2 and drug test complete.

how long after the review board did they take to call you ??

I had my interview Nov 22nd review board every Friday, Mine was December 3rd, drug test Dec 9th, just waiting on a class date! Hope this helps! I got my call that Friday afternoon right after the review board, call should come on a Friday!

nice thanks for the info. I interviewed Nov 10th, but found out last week my last employer never faxed over all the pre employment papers ... I think it all should have been in this week ..so hoping they got me in the review board for today.

Any guesses on how long of reserve in ORD for new hires? Someone posted about the ability to drop days; is this realistic as a new hire on reserve?

Also, what are typical trips at Eagle like? How many legs, length of duty, overnights, etc?

Min days off for lineholders?

Thanks for any info

Not sure how long the reserve wait is running at the moment, but dropping days can happen...but dont hold your breath on it. It depends on staffing, and we are entering a period where we will be super short on pilots and hiring as fast as we can. Youll have better luck swapping trips to get days off in my opinion.

Typical trips at Eagle on the ERJ in ORD are 4 day trips, 3-5 legs per day, 18-23hrs per 4-day trip. Duty days can be anywhere from 7hrs-14hrs(they cant schedule more than 14) and overnights from 8-17+hrs with the average running around 10-14hrs. There are some lines with day trips, 2-day trips, and sometimes 3-day trips but they go very senior and you wont need to worry about them for a while ;)

Min days off for lineholders is 12, but I have seen lines with 11 days off for some reason... Min reserve days off is 11.

When did you guys lose the min scheduled overnight as 8.5 hours? Back in the day, they used to reduce it when we ran late to 8, but they never were allowed to schedule 8 to begin with.... what did you guys get during the amendment round for that one?

When I was there, I never did reduced rest anyway... always got my 8 behind the door. A few friends that still work there say they will give anybody 8 behind the door if they call and ask for it. What's been your experience?

Yea they cant schedule anything less than 8.5, so my post should have read "8.5-17+hrs for overnights."

If I have an 8hr overnight and I feel rested in the morning then I go to work and do my job. If I have a 17hr overnight where I dont sleep well and feel like crap in the morning I call in fatigued. The company has always been great about honoring our fatigue policy and I've never had any issues, or heard of anyone getting crap for calling in fatigued.

Fatigue and rest required are something personal to every pilot. I can usually hit the pillow and get a good night sleep on an 8hr overnight. Some people are too wired when they get to the hotel and need some time to wind down. Some people are light sleepers and wake up easily in the middle of a 17hr overnight because of noise in the hallway. Some people sleep through fire alarms! :)

The people who do biatch are the ones who feel fatigued, but dont do anything about it.

Ok, cool... thought they stole something else from you guys...

Any idea when the flow plan will be released?

I just heard from an interviewer that Eagle wants 550 newhires by May. He says they only have 600 apps on file. If you have 1000/100, apply immediatley. They need you.

550? Holy crap, I guess they must be expecting American to flow more Eagle guys up.

Probabaly based on the flowthrough situation, but 550 seems too high.

AE will only be getting another 180 or so max over to AA by then and then AA has to start calling furloughed AA natives, so it would seem 360 would be a better number. Not sure how many apps they have, but 600 to hire 360 is pretty lean for a company that wants to be able to weed out the nimrods.

So I guess that classes are going to be going from 2 classes of 30 a month to 50. 2 classes of 50 new hires along with upgrades and current pilots going to new equipment. They might want that much but actually being able to do it is another thing. I'm all for it though.

If those AA furloughees dont want to come back right away then they could rip through that recall list pretty damn fast, which would work into the next group of ~254 AE CAs to chose yes or no on flowing to AA, and then we would be getting into the 824 additional AE CAs when AA hires off the street. Also, we are seeing an uptick in losing some Eagle CAs to DAL, Jetblue, VX, etc.


I hear ya. I think it is getting hard to find good people with 1000/100. Gone are the days of dropping mins to 250/50 to attract pilots.

not gone yet - compliance window is wide open

Ok, just got the Air Wisconsin job offer and American Eagle this week. Kindof a hectic week interviewing at both but it was a great experience. Now I am just listing pro's and con's of both. Pay is relatively the same (as long as I get the jet at Eagle, which I am not too worried about...or should I be? lol) but the one thing that I didn't factor was the benefits. Air Wiskey wants quite a bit for the family plan (I am married with 2) at close to $350 for Medical alone. How much can I expect to pay at eagle for my family per month/paycheck?

Also, because I am leaning towards AE I am planning to bid for Chicago EMB first and then JFK/LGA EMB I think. I just want the jet where I will sit reserve the shortest time and that is my best guess. Although the CRJ would be better pay it sounds like there is less movement there. No?

Any other pro or cons to go on my list? So far I have:
Domiciles, benefits, QOL including commute and work rules, company future i.e. AE being sold vs Air Wisconsin contract up in 2015, and travel benefits. Any suggestions on how travel benefits should be evaluated would be helpful. For example how many buddy passes? Does AE really charge you for your commute leg? ect. Once again, thank you for all the help you have all given, especially Flyby.

Congrats on getting two job offers! It shouldnt be a problem getting a jet slot at Eagle. The ERJ and CRJ FO payscales are the same, so no issues with payscale differences. I think the EMB is a better choice for moving up quickly since the overwhelming majority of recent upgrades are coming from ERJ FOs, and there arent many CRJ FOs who will be moving on to upgrade in the next few years.

I dont have the medical bennies from the company (on my wife's plan) but I am sure someone can chime in on the cost.

Unfortunately, we do get charged for traveling on AA/AE unless you are given the cockpit jumpseat. It varies by segment, but is generally $12-15 per leg for coach class. That can add up if you take AA/AE to and from work each week. I always took another carrier to work before I hit 5yrs (after 5yrs domestic coach class is free). If you get ORD or JFK/LGA there should be plenty of options for your commute, as long as you arent coming from some tiny city only served by AA/AE. Check passrider.com to get an idea of your options. Also keep in mind these charges apply to you, your spouse, children, and parents all traveling on your pass!

And about passes... You, your spouse, and your dependent children all get unlimited D2 travel passes (D2 is the pass level we use 90% of the time on AA/AE). Additionally, you have an annual travel pass bank of 24 one-way passes to be used by your parents, other family members or friends in any combination you like (the charges also apply to these passes).

Its a tough decision either way, and both companies are quality places to be. Good luck!

I have a wife and 2, I pay $335/month for medical and dental for all of us, and vision for myself and my wife. It is set to go up about $20/month next year.

PM me if you want some more details.

Are we allowing folks to pick where they wanna be based again? I don't think you have a choice of equipment, but keep your toes crossed.

As I understand it they will put up a bunch of bases with aircraft type and the oldest gets to pick. So yes you get to pick and no. You go where they need us and you get to pick from whatever they offer. On that note, does anyone know where the last class bid went? Anyone put on the ATR?

The word is that they are holding off on the flowplan until the Jan bid results come out to minimize staffing shortages resulting from people bidding high time lines and then leaving for training. Expect something Monday/Tuesday. Also there may have been some delay caused by the problem of backfilling atr fo's because many of the atr guys will be the first to attend training based on seniority.

Dec 6 class:

1 CRJ ORD
2 ERJ DFW
4 ATRs between DFW and MIA (don't remember the exact number)

So yes, 4 guys went to the ATR and I think will be like that since a lot of ATRs guys are moving to the jet.