Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 781236)

Sadly, in today's labor arbitration, "intent" of the agreement has nothing to do with the outcome of arbitrations. Something else does. It's all mumbo-jumbo, parsing, and torturing verbiage to get the desired outcome by the arbitrator.

Originally Posted by odog1121 (Post 780970)

Our group hasn't been this united for all the time I've been here. United in getting these people to follow through with their commitment. It's just a vocal few that want to make it seem like the union is fracturing when in reality it's quite the opposite.

Originally Posted by odog1121 (Post 781050)

Everyone knew the intent of the letter when they didn't sign. Now people that wants to renege on their commitement is picking the letter apart word by word to exploit it's weaknesses while knowing it's original intent. It's selfish but I guess I probably would do the samething in their position. Weasel move

Originally Posted by odog1121 (Post 781221)

Lol, it's because we are. We accepted a job that flew what used to be their routes for $25/hr. What else would you call that?

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 781286)

A scab is when someone takes the others job. AE MEC and the junior pilots fall in this category. So you say the pilots at AE have never been as united as this before. Well you are wrong but that is another story that you have no idea of. But the united AE pilots are to shaft and change the rules of the letter to suit there needs and force the senior pilots out. Oh shall we say that 90 percent of the MEC benefits in both position and pay from this. Some what goes against the code of ethics that ALPA published.
But you stay united on this issue and you will find yourself and the rest of the pilot group paying a huge price at the end with the company.
For you ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by odog1121 (Post 781317)

Wow, I didn't realize that a FT pilot could also be called scab now if they don't fulfill their commitment since they're occupying a job that should no longer belong to them. I would have settled for weasel but if you want to define them as scabs go ahead. I think it's a bit harsh.

Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler (Post 781327)

I now see what Eagle´s problem is with their junior pilots. Good luck in negotiations, gentlemen. You´re going to need it.

Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 781236)

Sadly, in today's labor arbitration, "intent" of the agreement has nothing to do with the outcome of arbitrations. Something else does. It's all mumbo-jumbo, parsing, and torturing verbiage to get the desired outcome by the arbitrator.

Witness the APA 7300 pilot floor for continued operation of Eagle. The arbitrator ruled that, in fact, AA could furlough every single AA pilot yet never trigger the minimum 7300 AA pilot floor that allows AE to continue operation. His decision invalidated the very reason for the agreement in the first place. That arbitration decision shocked even management in it's bizarreness.

I wish AE ALPA good luck with their upcoming negotiations. If the ongoing brickwall stall with AMR regarding the TWU, AA FA's, and the APA contracts are any indicator, they're going to offer AE a Mesa contract and emphasize the need to be competitive with the dregs of the industry. Of course, with the 50 seat RJs being economically crippled in the next few years, it's hard to figure out what AMR might try and do.

Originally Posted by ERJ135 (Post 781344)

I don't think its really the junior pilots or basically those with less than 5yrs. Of course everybody benefits. The really angry guys are the 10yr Fo's and junior capts basically less the 15yrs seniority would be junior. Those guys got burned badddd..