I didn't realize you spoke for the entire forum. Anyhow, this back and forth nonsense is a waste of everyone's time. All parties involved is already convinced on their positions. No amount of "discussions" or name calling will change anyone's mind. There will be ****ed off people and law suits to come either way. Good day

Is this Eagle Lounge? ***?

That's ridiculous. Of course I don't and I'd never presume to do so. Obviously you've misread the post. Since you are no longer interested in trying to distract everyone from your misuse of the word "scab" by alluding someone else did it, I guess that part of the discussion is over.

The people who now recognize it's wrong to attempt to throw a fellow union pilot out of their seat, out of this union and under a bus will change their minds from the position advocated by the MEC. Those who will walk all over someone else in order to satisfy personal greed will not change their minds as you've pointed out with your "law suits to come" remark.

Obviously, since you believe "there will be ****ed off people and law suits to come either way" you are now retracting this remark:
Our road to Contract 2013 is going to be a bumpy one. Who do you think is going to be worse off at the end of it due to the lack of unity we have among Eagle pilots?

So, are you going to use that arguement when CS tells you to do something in the contract that you don't want to do?

Let us know how that works out for you.


I do agree there does not appear to be any language in Sup. W that requires a pilot to transfer. I also can understand the arguement that there is no specific language because nobody ever expected anybody to not want to go.... there are many valid arguements I've heard from both sides.

That is why there is an arbitration process and it's what all the lawyers get paid for. Actually, the worse they write these types of things, the more likely it is they will have repeat business downt he road to help sort out the mess. Kinda a self serving mess they create isn't it?

Of course there was specific language to those who did not want to flow, It was called "Eagle rights". The time to decide to stay or go was back then, not now.

And before all the eagle "flow thru back outs" or "decision changers" jump all over me, I do agree with mason32 when he states:
I also see no language in which anyone resigned from eagle in order to flow thru.

Let the arbitrater decide, thats why he gets paid the big bucks, and I dont.:eek:

It's almost a certainty that no pilots will be forced to flow. The arbitrator has already said basically as much.

So angry F/O's and or ER's are going to sue ?

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!

- Who do they sue.........the arbitrator ?, AMR ?, FT's who excercise a legal contractual option ?, ALPA ?, McDonald's ?, Tiger Woods ?

GMAFB :rolleyes:

I don't know you tell me. A FT told me he was going to sue if he was forced to flow. I can give you his name and employee number if you want so you can ask him.

In that case he'd have a case to sue the company for age discrimination and the union for DFR. Since the arbitrator has already stated no forced flow, it's unlikely anyone will do that.

You'd previously said "There will be ****ed off people and law suits to come either way." So who is going to sue if he doesn't flow and who are they going to sue?
That's not the same and you should know better. Calling them names doesn't make you any more justified or correct.

We obviously have the same opinion on this issue, however we have reached our opinions via a diffrent path. We both dont agree on forced flow (as did the arbitrator).

However, I personally do not believe it is just and fair for a minority of senior pilots to change their minds depending on what benefits their personal interest at the time, while the entire pilot group pays the consequences of their actions or inactions. I never thought Eagle rights was an open ended option that could be chosen 10 years later.

I agree on the name calling not being justified, and I apologize if anyone was truly offended, but I do not consider the decision changers true flow thrus as they are not flowing, I dont wish to call them Eagle rights as the time of that option has passed. Call them what you wish.