I asked him. He fully recognized how divisive this issue was for our pilots. Although I wasn't able to talk long with him, my understanding is that, once the company issued their grievance, the MEC should have ceased any further action on the issue until those actions played out.
Influence, yes. The President of the United States can influence Congress, but Congress holds the purse strings, Congress holds the votes and Congress produces the legislation. It is cowardly for any Congressman who votes for a piece of legislation to turn around and blame the President for it. Same goes, IMHO, for any MEC member who places the Chairman for their vote on an LOA. IMHO, if our MEC members/LEC reps have so little backbone, then a more worthy representative should be found.

BTW, I've found that it is better to spread myself across several websites rather than confine my efforts to the little pond (cesspool? http://forums.artofwarcentral.com/im...lies/demon.gif) at the Eaglelounge.

I was unaware that it was the LEC members who devised, composed and enacted the series of resolutions and the chair looked on quietly. Resolutions that (right or wrong) drag the MEC chair into the gutter.


My understanding is that you don't splash around in that cesspool at all anymore. It was said you had a tiff with a moderator, the owner and refused to ante up the $5 annual fee.

No judgement there though as I'm not aware of the pirticulars. I'm curious though, how that tiff with the AEPA and the Sith Lords is going.

Are they (he) still persuing you or has that been resolved ?

Man, you can have the politics debate. It turns into he said she said and folks get to emotional on these boards. I read, may give a newbe some advice, and always looking for a job.

This crap shouldn't be discussed here anyway because we always get someone elses two cents who has no clue of even what planet they are on.

Have fun.

I'm unaware of that too. I'm also unaware of how many pilots in our Union don't have a frickin' clue on how their own union works.

What I am aware of is the number of pilots who attend both MEC and LEC meetings. On average, it's less than 10 in the peanut gallery with me at MEC meetings and about 5 out of 900 at the LEC meetings. Maybe if our pilots attended more meetings, they'd have a better understanding of how our Union works. Even teleconferences, which have proven to be very popular, usually average about 100 listeners out of 2800. Given that 2/3's of our pilots are working and completely unavailable (although we know some are in hotels or on sits), that still leaves over 700 pilots who don't give a **** about what their own union is doing. This wouldn't bother me except when they chime in with their opinions on unions matters which reveals their deep cluelessness on how our union operates and functions.

That's correct. Once my membership expired last year, I ceased splashing around in there.

Yes, the Sith Lords are still active. Mostly they keep dragging it out with various motions and fishing expeditions which only serves to cost me more money ($8500 so far) since there is nothing to find. My lawyer keeps pushing for a summary judgment since the Sith Lords have consistently failed to provide even a shred of proof that they were wronged. The depositions and other statements are on the web. Search around and read it for yourself. It'd be pretty funny if it wasn't costing me so much money and, IMHO, wasting donations of a hundred or so Eagle pilots on a frivolous pursuit.

Politics? Maybe I don't understand your point. Please explain. You resent the fact some supposedly non-Eagle pilot comments on our union but you don't want to discuss our union. Is this correct? Why are you even on these forums if you don't think this "crap shouldn't be discussed here anyway"?

You're right...you win

I'd love winning! Seriously though, I'd rather you and I were more in agreement at union meetings rather than debating things with others on an internet forum. Heck, even if we debated and disagreed at a meeting, it'd still be an improvement to the status quo. Our number one problem at Eagle isn't senior pilots, representatives with an agenda or nefarious groups run by Sith Lords. Our number one problem is a virtual complete lack of concern by the majority of our pilots as to what their own union is doing.

Remember all the contention of the DFW recalls and elections two years ago? The misleading petition, the spurious rumors and misinformation, the highly contentious meetings? Out of 900 DFW pilots, only 40 or less pilots bothered to attend those meetings and only about 200 bothered to vote in the nominations, elections and other related votes. 200 out of 900. Pretty pathetic, right? So what do you think our biggest problem is at Eagle?

Poster #12 can go on eaglelounge and read the 30 some pages of arguments. The 20/80 split, I think you are overly generous. The number I pull out of my arse is around 6/94. As for being part of the division, guilty as charged if you mean that there are two (possibly three) opposing views and I've voted for officials that support my point of view, although I don't agree with the notion that this issue is as divisive as some might suggest. Come back to the lounge, it's a good ol' time.

I'm not on the Eaglelounge, so you're suggestion is useless.

How did you arrive at your number for the split? I used 20/80 due to the ratio of 500/2300.

As anyone can see, you and I are disagreed on the rightfulness of union pilots pushing other union pilots out the door regardless of the numerical split between those in the majority or minority. Do you not see the danger associated with such an action? How do you know it won't be your turn next time? What happens if you force yourself into a fast upgrade so you can go to airline XYZ only to find out that they, too, have taken your idea and have voted to kick you out the door so they can have a bigger pay raise? If there is no unity, there is no union.

The few FTs I've spoken with, 3 of 4 that still intends to go told me that they never thought they had a choice to not go when they elected FT. The other one says he doesn't really remember. 2/2 FTs that wants to stay at eagle after not electing eagle rights told me that flowing was an option when the time comes.

Anyways, I figured 200/500 FTs no longer wish to go, 50/500 are iffy, and 250/500 are going no matter what. So 200/2800 are the only ones adamant that flowing was an option. + another 50 or so in the sympathetic group. So I get 7%-11%. Of course now that it's determined that the 244 are "slots". There are FTs in the butt end of that 500 that figured if people aren't forced to keep their commitment, they might flow quicker. So I guess you can skew the percentage more your way.