Beagle you said "Since the arbitrator has already stated no forced flow, it's unlikely anyone will do that. "

When did the arbritrator announce his ruling? I think the arbitrator spoke of this at the hearing, but has not yet issued an opinion. Remember people do change their minds and this arbitrator has made rulings in the past that are not logical.

 

In May the arbitrator issues the Remedy..... Thats just what the arbitrator said when the four parties met to discuss the flow through.. Thats not a ruling....

 

Agreed. He has the latitude to change his mind, but I'd bet against him doing it. Odds are his remedy will be in line with his previous statements on the matter.
Dude, by that definition every pilot senior to you is forcing you to pay the consequences of their actions and you are doing the same to every pilot junior to you.

There is nothing in Letter 3 which forces a pilot to flow nor that prevents them from electing not to flow. With a few exceptions, those who did not select the ER option put themselves at risk of displacement by an FB in order to have the option to flow. The fact very few were actually displaced is not only irrelevant, but not their fault. Letter 3 was an abortion as far as its assistance to Eagle pilots compared to the harm it created, but that is not the fault of any FTs. It's just the way it worked out. Anyone who attempts to put harm on the FTs for revenge is committing a travesty of justice.

 

I had not thought of it that way. You do make a strong case. Either way it was a big price paid by all, so a few could have that option.

 

As it worked out, you are absolutely correct. Please consider this scenario; What 9/11 had happened in 2006 and Letter 3 had been extended another 10 years during APA's normal contract negotiations in 2004. How many of those now clamoring for throwing 500 of their fellow pilots under a bus because of all the harm they did would now be fighting off the mobs trying save their seats in 2014?

The sad fact is Letter 3 never worked as planned in its short life from 1997 to the fall of 2001. Only about 150 of our pilots were able to flow before everything came to a grinding halt. Is that the fault of any pilot(s) at Eagle?

I want those guys to flow, but I want them to do it willingly. I strongly supported the TA as the best rectification of what went wrong with Letter 3. Was it the fault of the 500 that a certain party of the agreement torpedoed with with a completely unreasonable demand on Scope? If you really want to lay blame somewhere, I respectfully suggest you look outside our own union. Nobody here wanted to see Letter 3 fail.

 

He won't have to worry about it.........there will be no forcing of pilots to resign and no lawsuits either.

 

Have you read Sup.W ? the declaration of "Eagle rights" was to prevent yourself from being subject to displacement.

If you are going to argue the pro's and con's at least have read the document.

 

Hey, thats good idea.....