What commitment? I'm still waiting for you to point out where pilots are required to flow or signed any kind of contract or statement of commitment. If you are lack such proof, then what do you base your attempts for force pilots out of their seats, out of their jobs and out of this union?

 

beagle,
they are talking out the back side again. they dont even know there own contract. they fail to realize that ALPA agreed that all pilots who bid the jet will be flow throughs as Letter 3 states. The moment you bid the jet and complete ioe you get a number. ALPA signed the deal for us, they agree to it for us, we did not have to sign anything. So I never agreed to anything, the union did.

 

Agreed.

They are confused about what they want FT's to do vs. what they are contractually required to do. They'll never change..........it's the new wave of pilot and Eagle's is infested with them.

 

It doesn't matter if it was done on purpose. The fact is that certain pilots endured terrible stagnation, displacements and FURLOUGH, and now these Captains are changing their mind about going to AA. I didn't plan to be a career FO, maybe I'll go to the arbitrator and he'll make me a Captain because I don't want to be a FO anymore. I'll tell him " I made the decision to come to eagle a decade ago" and "I'm older now, things are different" as this is the bull*&%$ line I have to hear from these guys who have been in the left seat for 10 years making 6 figures. Boo f'n hoo, just flow already and send me a postcard.

 

So I guess since you never personally signed our contract then it doesn't apply to you either then right? Since you didn't agreed to the contract, I guess the pay rates won't apply to you then, alpa signed the agreement, you didn't.

It's more like since you didn't sign for Eagle Rights, you elected to flow through. The only thing eagle is infested with is the small group of weasels/scabs that doesn't want to own up to their agreement. This is the same type of BS as when the flowbacks came, the weasels twisted the intent of the agreement. In the letter, flowbacks can't displace ER captains, but you argued that it didn't say anything about ER can't be displaced by the Eagle FT captains. So you stole the rights/seats of ER captains so you wouldn't have to live up to your word. Have you no shame.

 

-This agreement was in place since 1997 and provided for flowback positions for AA pilots in the event of AA furlough.

You still chose to come here.

-This agreement had no contractual requirement for AE pilots to go to AA.

You still chose to come here.

-The company even said they wouldn't force these pilots to flow to AA many years ago.

You still chose to come here.


Had you planned properly and done a little research in your choice of regional, you'd have learned that your mailbox would likely remain empty.

Blaming others for your faliures only results in further frustration.

 

Shame should also include the use of the term "scab" where it doesn't apply. The above points all applied at American Eagle for many years, yet you also demand differently for your personal benefit.

The new breed of pilot will turn on anything that impedes his advancement even when he has himself to blame.

This profession is toast.

 

Agreed with this and the rest of your post 100%.

Additionally, what the heck does the fact our majority of our pilot group, including many of the pilots atp409 and others hope to kick out of their jobs, have suffered stagnation and displacements have to do with whether or not a pilot exercises their option to flow? It's not a requirement per Letter 3 despite the shenanigans attempted by certain members of the MEC. The company knows it. The arbitrator knows it. So why don't several of our elected union representatives know it? By propagating this misinformation to the membership, many of our junior and ill-informed pilots are now all worked up to violate one of the basic precepts of unionism: Brotherhood.

Also agreed. By calling flow-thrus "scabs", odog1121 has just demonstrated a deep lack of both professionalism and union knowledge.

 

Why don't you go back a few pages and see who called who a scab. Didn't see you complain about professionalism when "one of you" refer to all junior eagle pilots as scabs or "scab like."

 

Ha! You're making me responsible for screening and responding to every post on this forum? Are you now asserting that by "logging in" I am "committed" to respond to every post in which you and I disagree? Again, your level of professionalism and acumen is readily apparent to the entire forum, odog1121.

FWIW, if you quote the post in which you're referring I'd be happy to respond to it too.