odog1121

Our group hasn't been this united for all the time I've been here. United in getting these people to follow through with their commitment. It's just a vocal few that want to make it seem like the union is fracturing when in reality it's quite the opposite.

Beagle Pilot

What commitment? It's been asked before, but I'll ask it again. Show me in Letter 3 where pilots are required to flow. Heck, you can even show me in Letter 3 where the contract is that these pilots supposedly signed which committed them to flow. If you can do that, then I'll believe you. Until then, all I see is a lynch mob mentality that thinks just because they outnumber the accused makes them right. It doesn't.

odog1121

Everyone knew the intent of the letter when they didn't sign. Now people that wants to renege on their commitement is picking the letter apart word by word to exploit it's weaknesses while knowing it's original intent. It's selfish but I guess I probably would do the samething in their position. Weasel move

Jake Wheeler

Classic. Your pilots must be a lot of fun in the crew room. Speaking of weasels, which side is your management on? Force them out of their jobs or let them keep their jobs for another five or ten years until they have to retire?

ERJ135

We're a rough crowd... a lot angry ppl. there was a shouting match in jfk crewroom a few wks ago..

odog1121

Next time start chanting, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT..., and throw in weapons.

Jake Wheeler

It's easy to see why mainline pilots are blaming regional pilots for dragging down the profession---->

odog1121

Lol, it's because we are. We accepted a job that flew what used to be their routes for $25/hr. What else would you call that?

Jake Wheeler

Why did you do that? Shouldn't you quit your job and go hide yourself in shame instead of beating up on other pilots?

You and your brother pilots are going to beat yourselves senseless and your managers run over the top of you.

Wheels up

Sadly, in today's labor arbitration, "intent" of the agreement has nothing to do with the outcome of arbitrations. Something else does. It's all mumbo-jumbo, parsing, and torturing verbiage to get the desired outcome by the arbitrator.

Witness the APA 7300 pilot floor for continued operation of Eagle. The arbitrator ruled that, in fact, AA could furlough every single AA pilot yet never trigger the minimum 7300 AA pilot floor that allows AE to continue operation. His decision invalidated the very reason for the agreement in the first place. That arbitration decision shocked even management in it's bizarreness.

I wish AE ALPA good luck with their upcoming negotiations. If the ongoing brickwall stall with AMR regarding the TWU, AA FA's, and the APA contracts are any indicator, they're going to offer AE a Mesa contract and emphasize the need to be competitive with the dregs of the industry. Of course, with the 50 seat RJs being economically crippled in the next few years, it's hard to figure out what AMR might try and do.