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minimwage4 04-01-2010 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboyrw (Post 788252)
Except the "money loosing operations" they bought, weren't quite "money loosing."

You're right. They specialize in buying money loosing operations and turning them into money losing operations.

minimwage4 04-01-2010 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 788260)
Those 190s would do a lot better job than the 135's, that's for sure. If oil goes back up, which it might based on some predictions, the little jet market is in for a hurting.

I don't want to get banned by ICALL but there will be no hope of lower gas prices under this administration. Every time solar power is mentioned the gas goes up.

Flyboyrw 04-01-2010 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 788264)
You're right. They specialize in buying money loosing operations and turning them into money losing operations.

You must have seen different books then I saw...which were pretty official. I don't agree with your first point, but I sure as héll agree with your second point.

goaround2000 04-01-2010 07:50 PM

Reduced but not defunct!
 
No one can tell this story better than us at XJT, and the bottom line is that we went from 274 jets in service with CAL to the current 204 due to reductions based on the "bean counters" idea of cost savings. Well, we've all seen how well that went with the other partners, yet that became the trend.

If AA shifts flying, there will still be markets better served by the 40-70 jets and props at Eagle, as opposed to the 190's and 320's. Like us, I think an IPO and later (3-4 years) a reduction in block hours and equipment in around the corner, depending on how the "code shares" work out.

bgmann 04-01-2010 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 788196)
I did not read the story, but was the agreement just about slots and not a codeshare?

Some people commented they didnt know what was up... here is whats up. (sorry it is so long...but hey, I didnt write it).

It wouldnt let me cut 'n paste so here it is. American Airlines Bolsters Commitment to New York by Enhancing Network, Schedule, Facilities and Fleet at New York's Airports, and Introduces New Partnerships With JetBlue Airways and NYC & Company - Mar 31, 2010

PIPErdrvr 04-01-2010 08:38 PM

Don't get to worked up over the jetblue deal. AA is gaining more departure slots (12) than it is giving up(8). And jetblue is not going to start flying any routes that it doesn't already operate. Plus, did you read the part about AA adding 7 new destinations with 23 additional flights? (to be flown by AE CRJ's) Looks like overall growth to me.

proav8r 04-01-2010 09:39 PM

We'll all be defunct in 2013.

eaglefly 04-02-2010 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 788260)
Those 190s would do a lot better job than the 135's, that's for sure. If oil goes back up, which it might based on some predictions, the little jet market is in for a hurting.

Is it even worth AMR replacing the 135/140 fleet? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just throw JB 190's on the routes?

I think Eagle will inevitably shrink because it's just so big for a "regional".

I hope this doesn't hurt Eagles existence after 2012 but it is peculiar that this deal springs up 2 years before contract time and after a failed divesture of AE.

This whole thing is getting really hyped up though. Of course I'm downplaying it so I can sleep tonight :)

AMR cannot replace anything at Eagle right now with the AA scope issue unresolved. AMR CEO's statement of an expanding relationship with JB may offer them an opportunity to re-accelerate E-190 deliveries (although admittedly, I'm unsure of their current plan).

It will be a slow and gradual process, but it seems AMR might be better off just having another carrier do the 190 flying and removing the 135's and even some S-80's. It would make sense for the Northeast. Since the APA is unwilling to consider any compromises or even entertain VIABLE options regarding scope, it seems that AMR will just institue a plan slowly dissolving AA flying using contractually allowed methods instead of considering in-house options that would involve AA expansion.

There's always more then one way for mangement to skin a cat and sometimes the cat doesn't know he's being skinned because it happens slowly. Meanwhile, the litterbox at AA labor-wise continues to overflow. Management can remain afar, but employees must wallow in the ever increase mound of brown.

SpeedyVagabond 04-02-2010 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by proav8r (Post 788347)
We'll all be defunct in 2013.

With the rest of the world sitting on their hands as a certain nation state is allowed to freely pursue their desire to be a nuclear power, I'm certain you're right. Your timeline may be off though. Back to thread, Eagle isn't going anywhere any time soon. And neither are the other regionals AMR will use to mitigate exposure and allow them to keep regional costs down through competition. Management at the majors will never forget the Comair strike in my humble opinion.

chignutsak 04-02-2010 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 788519)
Management at the majors will never forget the Comair strike in my humble opinion.

That event was long before I was even interested in this industry as a career. How bad did it effect Delta's ops?


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