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bgmann 04-03-2010 05:18 PM

I have a proposition...not possible, but PLAUSIBLE.

AMR wanted to spin us off in the past.... How about Eagle operating under JetBlue ownership? hahaha. E135's feed E190's and A320's :p

Glad people arent flamebaiting.It'll come I am sure...

Flyby1206 04-03-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by bgmann (Post 789313)
I have a proposition...not possible, but PLAUSIBLE.

AMR wanted to spin us off in the past.... How about Eagle operating under JetBlue ownership? hahaha. E135's feed E190's and A320's :p

Glad people arent flamebaiting.It'll come I am sure...

Hell yea! Boston base will re-open for sure :)

bgmann 04-03-2010 05:34 PM

JetBlue's regional feeder... We can keep the Blue Chicken on the tail and call it JetBird!

Or paint the Chicken Yellow and call it BigBird!

eaglefly 04-04-2010 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 789289)
You grossly overestimate your own worth my friend. Delta hasover 50% of their flying being done by regionals. That is not the case with AA.

............and WHY is that my friend ?

Because current APA scope has prevented that. Of course, as I stated previously that will change............the only question is when and under what method.

AMR would probably have a similar level if not for current scope and it's my point that the APA can control it in the future better thru reasonable negotiation or have it ultimately removed from their control should either Congress force arbitration or if they don't, then allow not only the APA, but ALL mainline unions to strangle AMR to the point a judge will.

Even the "utopia" fantasy of the APA that not only Eagle but all regionals would just disappear, would only insure AA shrivels by half and I cannot see that doing the surviving pilots there much good either.

Again, the best of the undesirable scenarios of the future is a negotiated compromise that best benefits both AMR and the APA.

maveric311 04-04-2010 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 (Post 788260)
Those 190s would do a lot better job than the 135's, that's for sure. If oil goes back up, which it might based on some predictions, the little jet market is in for a hurting.

Is it even worth AMR replacing the 135/140 fleet? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just throw JB 190's on the routes?

I think Eagle will inevitably shrink because it's just so big for a "regional".

I hope this doesn't hurt Eagles existence after 2012 but it is peculiar that this deal springs up 2 years before contract time and after a failed divesture of AE.

This whole thing is getting really hyped up though. Of course I'm downplaying it so I can sleep tonight :)

I think people are forgetting that Usair is selling their 190's to RAH last I heard and I believe USair CEO has openly said they will be getting rid of their 190 fleet type

eaglefly 04-04-2010 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by maveric311 (Post 789542)
I think people are forgetting that Usair is selling their 190's to RAH last I heard and I believe USair CEO has openly said they will be getting rid of their 190 fleet type

Regional carriers are operating more and more aircraft in the E-190/CRJ-900 class and that will continue. As more and more of these become entrenched at the regional level it will irrevocably set not only the compensation level for them, but the fact that regionals will have to continue to operate them for competitive cost requirments, just like the 70-seaters.

The horse has not only left the barn, but jumped the fence rounded the corral and unlocked the back gate. It can't be stopped now and won't be. AA and CAL will be the last dominoes to fall and the longer they wait the weaker they become.

DAL is already becoming the block behemoth and UAL looks as though they may survive, thanks in large part to larger RJ's. I wish it were different, but IMO the fatcats in Herndon spent more time eyeing their baked Halibut and expense accounts then on the livelyhood of their consitituents. The APA with little clout on Capitol Hill got sucked in because of that and their own internal blunders.

There's a good book in this...........call it "Death of a Profession".

Beagle Pilot 04-07-2010 05:25 AM

Well said except for your Beck-ish and incorrect slam about ALPA national "fat cats". You should know better since you recognize that both DAL and UAL are becoming stronger. They're ALPA too. http://www.airlinecrew.net/vbulletin...s/tongue_2.gif

As for Eagle's future, I think it will be the same with an industry average contract. The market has changed since the days of regionals cutting each other's throats plus their own in order to become a contractee of the golden legacies. AMR's experiences with outsourced feed isn't a lucrative as being able to have direct operational control of its own feed. That said, AMR also fears seeing a repeat of the 2001 Comair strike which severely hurt Delta's operations for 3 months. As such, I were in charge I'd outsource 10-15% of the regional feed to Blue Chickens and stick one at every domicile just to put the fear of God into the weak-kneed majority at Eagle.


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