I Quit...
07-21-2006 | 06:43 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by 9E-TeaBagsCops
Tinpusher007, I could have held the Left seat from my initial class but if you must know I do have my own successful business(NOT run like an airline) and quality of life is very important to me. Even now people close to my senoirity are barely holding 12 days off a month, and then getting extended into their days off. So I chose not to pursue that ave. I would have quit regardless. Though Pinnacle is just not a company that I was proud to work for but, having a seperate income made it that much easier.
07-22-2006 | 05:38 AM
#32
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FlyingNinja- didn't anyone ever tell you that there are no guarantees in life. Get over the fact that you took a chance on the CAPT program and it didn't work out for you. BTW, for the rest of you, FlyingNinja is by far in the minority as a disgruntle CAPT graduate.
07-22-2006 | 06:27 AM
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LAB727,
Let's not over simplify my situation with CAPT. Yes, I'm in the minority. But that minority is also 1/3 of the cadet core that graduated. And just because I'm the only one (that I know of) sharing with people the disgrace that is the C(R)APT program, doesn't meant that there aren't people that have been burned by the program. ONE-THIRD buddy! So yes, while we're in the MINORITY, we certainly aren't just one or two people. What's the placement rate at C(R)APT these days? Now compare that to other programs like Delta Academy and ATP. I'd say, C(R)APT failed in their goal of 100% placement that they drank beers and sang songs to in the heydays.
And allow me to digress, yes, I know there are no guarantees in life. But C(R)APT said they had 7-9 GUARANTEED interviews set up. When I started, did you know how many guaranteed interviews they have set up? ZERO. It wasn't until the last quarter of 2004 did they even get FocusAir (which isn't a flying job in my opinion because NO ONE that went there is flying yet!). So basically, C(R)APT was lying for a year before they landed FocusAir (because they love to pay for high talents with low pay checks).
I'm over the fact that I took a chance with C(R)APT and it didn't work out for me. But that doesn't mean I can't tell the world that they are a bunch of lying sons of b!tches that push used cars as new.
As far as that disgruntled bit is concerned, I wasn't like this before I entered C(R)APT. This should answer Thedude's question as well. I did my research (but evidently not enough). And I was also WELL AWARE of the www.captiscrap.com (not functional anymore due to a law suit settlement - see the archived version here). The guy that ran that site listed all the reasons that C(R)APT was not the place to be. I read that site everyday for 6 months before I signed up. Back then, I thought, this guy is just some schmuck that is disgruntled or isn't doing well in training, etc. Well, turns out, that guy was RIGHT ON THE MONEY with C(R)APT with EVERYTHING he said. At the time, I blew that guy off and read his posting with a sardonic grin and said to myself, there is no way I'm going to be like him. Well, today, if C(R)APT wasn't dropped by Embry-Riddle like a used tampon, I would have started my own website. But I think watching the forums for newbies that are looking into aviation as a career and warning them off about C(R)APT is more effective a tool. Hell, I'll even go so far as to recommend people to go to ATP and RAA, just don't find yourself at C(R)APT. The management there are a bunch of incompentent automatons following the lead of an old man who still think stealing money from people is a noble thing to do.
Did C(R)APT work out for some? Sure, two-thirds of all the people that went there. And I say, congratulations for making it through with a job at the end of the tunnel. Consider this however. Of all the people that graduated (as far as I know - statistics up to date as of April 2006):
16 out of 48 (33.33%) went to Focus Air.
02 out of 48 (04.16%) went to corporate (which C(R)APT had nothing to do with their placements, but took credit for).
03 out of 48 (06.25%) went to Piedmont (which Piedmont will never take another C(R)APT resume due to CAPT misrepresenting times on their resumes).
14 out of 48 (29.16%) went to Pinnacle.
13 out of 48 (27.08%) went to ASA.
It's funny how C(R)APT pushed FocusAir the most out of any airline opportunity. Why? Because it was the path of least resistance to C(R)APT! And you really can't count the 2 guys that went corporate because CAPT didn't help them land those jobs.
But for those of us in the MINORITY, life isn't good. I stay in touch with some of them and it's just heart breaking to hear it in their voices the defeat and the mental anguish that has been bestowed to them by the broken promises and the lackadaisical approach to handling our placement efforts as well as our plea for help and guidance.
I can go on and on and on but I think I've made my point. Don't take a chance when you might end up in the MINORITY ONE-THIRD. Because I can tell you from experience, you don't want to be here. And those who have not spoken up would also tell you that you don't want to be here. This one-third side of the dice is painful. So for "the rest of you" who are looking for a flight program, keep an eye out for the developments of C(R)APT as they get bought out (if and when that will happen) and avoid them like the black plague.
P.S. C(R)APT said that they would make a grand announcement to the world about them being bought out by a "suitor" (nice word *********s) and that the announcement was to be made on June 1. Today is July 22. No announcement. Yet another example of the continuing bullsh!t sound bites that C(R)APT is famous for. They keep dangling that stale carrot...
Let's not over simplify my situation with CAPT. Yes, I'm in the minority. But that minority is also 1/3 of the cadet core that graduated. And just because I'm the only one (that I know of) sharing with people the disgrace that is the C(R)APT program, doesn't meant that there aren't people that have been burned by the program. ONE-THIRD buddy! So yes, while we're in the MINORITY, we certainly aren't just one or two people. What's the placement rate at C(R)APT these days? Now compare that to other programs like Delta Academy and ATP. I'd say, C(R)APT failed in their goal of 100% placement that they drank beers and sang songs to in the heydays.
And allow me to digress, yes, I know there are no guarantees in life. But C(R)APT said they had 7-9 GUARANTEED interviews set up. When I started, did you know how many guaranteed interviews they have set up? ZERO. It wasn't until the last quarter of 2004 did they even get FocusAir (which isn't a flying job in my opinion because NO ONE that went there is flying yet!). So basically, C(R)APT was lying for a year before they landed FocusAir (because they love to pay for high talents with low pay checks).
I'm over the fact that I took a chance with C(R)APT and it didn't work out for me. But that doesn't mean I can't tell the world that they are a bunch of lying sons of b!tches that push used cars as new.
As far as that disgruntled bit is concerned, I wasn't like this before I entered C(R)APT. This should answer Thedude's question as well. I did my research (but evidently not enough). And I was also WELL AWARE of the www.captiscrap.com (not functional anymore due to a law suit settlement - see the archived version here). The guy that ran that site listed all the reasons that C(R)APT was not the place to be. I read that site everyday for 6 months before I signed up. Back then, I thought, this guy is just some schmuck that is disgruntled or isn't doing well in training, etc. Well, turns out, that guy was RIGHT ON THE MONEY with C(R)APT with EVERYTHING he said. At the time, I blew that guy off and read his posting with a sardonic grin and said to myself, there is no way I'm going to be like him. Well, today, if C(R)APT wasn't dropped by Embry-Riddle like a used tampon, I would have started my own website. But I think watching the forums for newbies that are looking into aviation as a career and warning them off about C(R)APT is more effective a tool. Hell, I'll even go so far as to recommend people to go to ATP and RAA, just don't find yourself at C(R)APT. The management there are a bunch of incompentent automatons following the lead of an old man who still think stealing money from people is a noble thing to do.
Did C(R)APT work out for some? Sure, two-thirds of all the people that went there. And I say, congratulations for making it through with a job at the end of the tunnel. Consider this however. Of all the people that graduated (as far as I know - statistics up to date as of April 2006):
16 out of 48 (33.33%) went to Focus Air.
02 out of 48 (04.16%) went to corporate (which C(R)APT had nothing to do with their placements, but took credit for).
03 out of 48 (06.25%) went to Piedmont (which Piedmont will never take another C(R)APT resume due to CAPT misrepresenting times on their resumes).
14 out of 48 (29.16%) went to Pinnacle.
13 out of 48 (27.08%) went to ASA.
It's funny how C(R)APT pushed FocusAir the most out of any airline opportunity. Why? Because it was the path of least resistance to C(R)APT! And you really can't count the 2 guys that went corporate because CAPT didn't help them land those jobs.
But for those of us in the MINORITY, life isn't good. I stay in touch with some of them and it's just heart breaking to hear it in their voices the defeat and the mental anguish that has been bestowed to them by the broken promises and the lackadaisical approach to handling our placement efforts as well as our plea for help and guidance.
I can go on and on and on but I think I've made my point. Don't take a chance when you might end up in the MINORITY ONE-THIRD. Because I can tell you from experience, you don't want to be here. And those who have not spoken up would also tell you that you don't want to be here. This one-third side of the dice is painful. So for "the rest of you" who are looking for a flight program, keep an eye out for the developments of C(R)APT as they get bought out (if and when that will happen) and avoid them like the black plague.
P.S. C(R)APT said that they would make a grand announcement to the world about them being bought out by a "suitor" (nice word *********s) and that the announcement was to be made on June 1. Today is July 22. No announcement. Yet another example of the continuing bullsh!t sound bites that C(R)APT is famous for. They keep dangling that stale carrot...
Last edited by Flying Ninja; 07-22-2006 at 06:44 AM.
07-22-2006 | 07:26 AM
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Too bad
I have to say for those of you rich kids born with a silver spoon in your mouth that forked out someone elses money to buy a flying job, too bad. Maybe if you would have worked your way up in the business the way you should, you would have learned a little about how business is done in aviation, and seen this coming. I have had the misfortune of flying with one of you schmucks and hated every minute of it. You're all a bunch of back stabbing, whiney brats who would throw their mother under the bus to get ahead. I love reading accounts of your inevitable and well deserved downfall. It really says says it all about your character when you just quit a job before you have another one. You obviously are completely irresponsible and therefore have no place in professional aviation IMNSHO. Who's paying your way in the world now I wonder, Mom or Dad?
07-22-2006 | 07:36 AM
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I know you're not talking about me because I borrowed money to do C(R)APT. I got $100K in debt. And I'm working to pay it back myself over the next 15 years. No one paid my way. And you are right, I shouldn't have taken the short cut with C(R)APT. And you'll never have to worry about flying with me because I can't afford to get into the career.
07-22-2006 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cjdriver
I have to say for those of you rich kids born with a silver spoon in your mouth that forked out someone elses money to buy a flying job, too bad. Maybe if you would have worked your way up in the business the way you should, you would have learned a little about how business is done in aviation, and seen this coming. I have had the misfortune of flying with one of you schmucks and hated every minute of it. You're all a bunch of back stabbing, whiney brats who would throw their mother under the bus to get ahead. I love reading accounts of your inevitable and well deserved downfall. It really says says it all about your character when you just quit a job before you have another one. You obviously are completely irresponsible and therefore have no place in professional aviation IMNSHO. Who's paying your way in the world now I wonder, Mom or Dad?
CJ,
Whats your story? How did you do it? I'm not being a smarta$$ - I'm interested in learning. I want to retire from the military (8 years to go), then get my tickets at a place like ATPS (all inclusive price, i know its a lot but I dont want to waste time / money in an FBO), CFI, then 135 freight , then maybe a regional maybe not depending on how much I like 135 freight world.
Your insights are appreciated....
-LAFF
07-22-2006 | 08:27 AM
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Glad to
Started out as a bench tech at 17, engineer with McDonnell Douglas at 21 (no college), fiber optic engineer hired by a tech startup with stock options, cashed out before the market crash. All the while; Bought my first plane at 19 and built my time up flying myself around for business paying for it with my salary and expenses from the company. Did 91 corporate on the side when I could. Went to work for a fractional, got three type ratings. Got tired of the hotels and airlines. Back in the tech industry flying myself around again in my own twin. It was a fun ride, learned a lot from some great pilots, didn't want to stay there though.
07-22-2006 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cjdriver
Started out as a bench tech at 17, engineer with McDonnell Douglas at 21 (no college), fiber optic engineer hired by a tech startup with stock options, cashed out before the market crash. All the while; Bought my first plane at 19 and built my time up flying myself around for business paying for it with my salary and expenses from the company. Did 91 corporate on the side when I could. Went to work for a fractional, got three type ratings. Got tired of the hotels and airlines. Back in the tech industry flying myself around again in my own twin. It was a fun ride, learned a lot from some great pilots, didn't want to stay there though.
Nice...I'm in IT - EE / networking / telecomm engineer with the USAF. Trying to make the right decision so i can pay for flight school without any loans...
-LAFF
07-22-2006 | 09:00 AM
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Perfect
I recommend you get your Cisco CCIE certification, this will get you hired on the spot for no less than $65k/yr anywhere in the country (the company I now work for pays over $100k for this). You can then buy your own plane, build your time, do some corporate flying on the side and see if that's what you want to do full time. Or do I like I did and try it full time for several years until you've had enough, and then you can always go back to engineering. I would also add that it's a lot more fun flying yourself around then someone else. The cert. you can work on at night and on weekends. By the way, it's great sleeping in my own bed everynight. Good luck and enjoy.
07-22-2006 | 09:06 AM
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From: Corporate Pilot
Our Hero
Originally Posted by cjdriver
I have to say for those of you rich kids born with a silver spoon in your mouth that forked out someone elses money to buy a flying job, too bad. Maybe if you would have worked your way up in the business the way you should, you would have learned a little about how business is done in aviation, and seen this coming. I have had the misfortune of flying with one of you schmucks and hated every minute of it. You're all a bunch of back stabbing, whiney brats who would throw their mother under the bus to get ahead. I love reading accounts of your inevitable and well deserved downfall. It really says says it all about your character when you just quit a job before you have another one. You obviously are completely irresponsible and therefore have no place in professional aviation IMNSHO. Who's paying your way in the world now I wonder, Mom or Dad?
Wow!! A true American hero !! Tell them how it is John Wayne !!
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