That is what I thought...forgot the specifics and I wasn't about to look for the book.

I don't see anything wrong with having a conversation while waiting for a PDC with the brakes set, although getting your stories straight would probably be better done outside of earshot from the CVR.

Because if you lose your airline pilot job and you can replace your income by working sales, or construction, or the equivalent then it makes it a little less likely to attract and keep professionals. Can a doctor or a dentist say the same thing? Despite what many people say, pay is a motivator. It is for me. And it is for most people.

What was the outcome for the crew with PSA?

I guess in contrast with some of the other threads in the forums these days the real question is, were these pilots fairly low time? What was their training background? Were there any fatigue issues with the crew?

I wonder what would have happened had the F.O. NOT moved the flaps while in a t/o configuration. The warning ultimately caused them to abort the t/o at a speed that caused them to overrun the runway but not by much. I'm not sure of the runway length but I would imagine they would have been able to lift off before they reached the end had neither of them noticed the flaps were not set correctly. But if this was a relatively short runway or a runway with some clearance issues at the departure end, things may have been pretty bad. I know one way is a little hilly and one way there is a big drop off. Gotta wonder what that would have done to get the FAA moving with some changes.

Just some food for thought.

FMI:

CD List Of Contents

Captain
Total time: 9,525 hours
CL-65 time: 4,608

FO
Total time: 3,029 hours
CL-65 time: 1,981

According to the report, no training problems, no failures, and no fatigue issues.

Well, from the CVR ...
It was the captain who moved the flaps. Based solely on the speed book, it looks like their data was based on flaps 20, but the FO had flaps 8 in his head. How much of an actual difference is there between flaps 20 and flaps 8 speeds when the numbers come across the ACARS? Based on the speed book, there is only about a 10 kt difference. According to the FDR, the highest recorded ground speed was 142 kts. :eek:

I for one hope they didn't get canned for it. Yes there were definite things wrong with what they did but could happen to many of us. And you can bet they'd never make that mistake again - and will probably take sterile cockpit and checklists (and double checking) more seriously from now on. Probably more seiously than just about anyone now. Retrain - life goes on. And thank god no lives were lost. Airplanes can be repaired and replaced, egos and pride are done some good by being bruised (or severely beaten!) sometimes. They learned their lessons - and did it for many of us who read the CVR as well.

I wasn't saying they got canned. Nor do I think they should be. I have no idea what happened to them.

I just think a lot of us don't treat this job with the respect it deserves 100% of the time, myself included of course. There are things we can all do to improve.

You're joking right? The CA said "I don't know what to do" after they went off. ALPA to the rescue.