If ASA and Skywest Ever Merged Pilot Groups..
04-22-2010 | 05:16 AM
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If SkyWest were to go in-house, it would fail miserably. We don't make enough as regional pilots to support any union actions.
Average regional salary: $50,000yr (capt/fo combined)
2% dues - $1,000
x2,800 pilots=
$2,800,000 per year
Now 1/2 of that goes to pay the salaries of SkyWest MEC -
chairman
vice chairman
secretary/treasurer
we cover their benefits, health insurance, equivelent flight pay (the company sure isn't gonna pay this). Remember they don't fly. They are full time running the business of representing you.
That leaves us with 1.4 million for:
legal representation
FAA representation of pilots
medical assitance
not to mention a strike (how far would 1.4 mil go to pay the salaries of the strikers?)
$1,400,000\2800=
$500 each. good luck!
One lawsuit against a pilot, by the company, would bankrupt the fledgling in-house union.
How much money do you think the company has to throw into a lawsuit?
How much experience do Ford and Harrison have(SkyWests on-call legal team)?
How much would your new union have? They read about negotiations in a book?
SkyWesters, in the last 6 months, how many pilots have had to fight to keep from being fired? How many HAVE been fired? Who would pay to fight for them? Where would that money come from?
It's all math and an in-house SkyWest union would not add up. The company would sink it in 6 months!
Average regional salary: $50,000yr (capt/fo combined)
2% dues - $1,000
x2,800 pilots=
$2,800,000 per year
Now 1/2 of that goes to pay the salaries of SkyWest MEC -
chairman
vice chairman
secretary/treasurer
we cover their benefits, health insurance, equivelent flight pay (the company sure isn't gonna pay this). Remember they don't fly. They are full time running the business of representing you.
That leaves us with 1.4 million for:
legal representation
FAA representation of pilots
medical assitance
not to mention a strike (how far would 1.4 mil go to pay the salaries of the strikers?)
$1,400,000\2800=
$500 each. good luck!
One lawsuit against a pilot, by the company, would bankrupt the fledgling in-house union.
How much money do you think the company has to throw into a lawsuit?
How much experience do Ford and Harrison have(SkyWests on-call legal team)?
How much would your new union have? They read about negotiations in a book?
SkyWesters, in the last 6 months, how many pilots have had to fight to keep from being fired? How many HAVE been fired? Who would pay to fight for them? Where would that money come from?
It's all math and an in-house SkyWest union would not add up. The company would sink it in 6 months!
04-22-2010 | 07:04 AM
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And you are way off base if you think 1/2 of union dues would go to salaries and benefits of a regional MEC's officers, let alone to those at a major airline! 50%? That's pretty funny. MAYBE 10% based on the numbers you stated above, but even that is probably a bit high for total salaries, benefits, etc. for MEC officers on full-time trip loss.
04-22-2010 | 07:50 AM
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You have lots of overhead costs for the union. Printers, computers, phones, paper, rental costs of union buildings, and the list goes on and on.
And let's not forget SkyWest sued Alpa about wearing lanyards during the last drive, and don't forget the case that brought in handwriting experts(those that know get it).
SkyWest pilots do not make as much as AirTran or UPS or even Frontier.
In-house SkyWest union would fail.
And let's not forget SkyWest sued Alpa about wearing lanyards during the last drive, and don't forget the case that brought in handwriting experts(those that know get it).
SkyWest pilots do not make as much as AirTran or UPS or even Frontier.
In-house SkyWest union would fail.
04-22-2010 | 07:56 AM
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You have lots of overhead costs for the union. Printers, computers, phones, paper, rental costs of union buildings, and the list goes on and on.
And let's not forget SkyWest sued Alpa about wearing lanyards during the last drive, and don't forget the case that brought in handwriting experts(those that know get it).
SkyWest pilots do not make as much as AirTran or UPS or even Frontier.
In-house SkyWest union would fail.
And let's not forget SkyWest sued Alpa about wearing lanyards during the last drive, and don't forget the case that brought in handwriting experts(those that know get it).
SkyWest pilots do not make as much as AirTran or UPS or even Frontier.
In-house SkyWest union would fail.
04-22-2010 | 08:46 AM
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From: Self employed
Perhaps they'll do the "you're your own union" thing, and skip the umbrella. Sounds awesome to me, like so many other pilot unions, both in the US, and around the world. Nothing earth shattering here, except to the bottom line at the business called ALPA.
04-22-2010 | 01:31 PM
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From: Capt
Just curious if anyone knows what would hypothetically happen to a furloughed pilot if one day in the future ASA and Skywest merged senority lists.. Would the furloughed pilots just get dropped? It just crossed my mind the other day, and I can't seem to find any information on it.
2) A "relative senority" integration would be the only accepable one I can think of.
3) By the time this happens all the answers you seek about fuloughs will be a moot point.
4) I perdict the next union drive (either alpa or non) would pass if a) ASA guys joined in a discussion of one day joining a common union, b)economy stays as-is and pilots don't see an upgrade in sight, awful reserve rules and Draconian punishment for people outside the 'friends and family' network.
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