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How about the rumor that one of the former negotiators got bought out of flying for at least a year and spent most of the time fishing in Arkansas while nothing was getting done? There seems to be several skeletons in the union closet that were overlooked during the times of massive hiring and attrition. Now people are actually paying attention again.

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Originally Posted by HIREME (Post 812686)

As a captain here, I will not do anything malicious to delay a flight as some have suggested elsewhere. However, my personal on-time perfomance is fairly bad I'm sure due to flying the way the FAR's, books, and safety dictate. There are things we should be doing that aren't wrong to do. Such as study your FOM and find interesting tidbits of information that most of us do not follow in an effort to be on time. "By the book" operating is the professional and moral way to operate as a pilot...check out FOM 13-9, first paragraph-bottom section, that one sentance in chp 13 would send on time performance down 30%...I do not do anything maliciously, just simply try to do my best to fly safely, by the rules set forth from the FAA and company, and then on time performance enters my mind. #1.SAFETY, #2.COMPLIANCE, then ON-TIME. Some of us get those priorities all mixed up...if you fly correctly and professionally (ie. not wink and nod at ops specs and just "make it happen") some things take care of themselves. Chp 4-14 bottom section would knock out a lot of other guys operating illegally-ever take an antihistimine while operating with a cold? Zyrtec? medication Did you know you have to take anti-biotics for at least 48hrs before returning to work? Open the door and brief the 20% of flights that have no working headset for pushback. If it's broken, write it up regardless of what it is (spoilerons fault anyone?) or where it happens. Guys, just do it right and a lot of this will take care of itself.

Technically, a "work to the rules" campaign is illegal but if everybody just takes it upon themselves, I'd think it would be awfully hard to go after anybody for it. I don't think a union can come out and promote this idea though. Be careful what you post on public forums guys (not that I ever am).

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Originally Posted by PCL_128 (Post 812421)

If the TA had been voted down by the MEC, then you probably would have been "parked" by the NMB for 6 months. Sending it out for a vote was the right move.

Really? I mean were are they now? SE didn't want this TA to pass but let it go to the membership under your same assumption. So 6 months will turn into 24. The membership was not served well by this technique.

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Originally Posted by CanyonBlue (Post 813212)

Blame the MEC reps at the time, they voted to either let us see it or not...i dont think SE had a vote...

Any rep that voted for us to see that crap should be recalled and removed from office they are the ones that set us back!!!! and most of them voted for the crappy w-2 dist. method..

I would be happy to see both ATL reps removed...i have flown with the Captain rep many times he just wants a contract good or BAD...

Yeah, this next TA will be so good.

:rolleyes: yeah right...

Want better pay and work rules? Start filling out job applications. This "airline" is never going to do it.

The airline might not get any better but the union can. The union needs to take a stronger stance on things and then maybe the company will take things a little more seriously. For example: fly it and grieve it later.....what a great concept. With this concept, what is preventing the company from doing it again? Nothing.. That would be a huge step in the right direction but I won't hold my breath.
Still no word from our MEC chairman...Don't worry it's only been xxxx days since our contract has been amendable.

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nevermind... good luck PCL group... you'll need it

So the MEC members are more to blame than SE. Either way, this is dragging out at naseum by the company. It's been a death of a hundred cuts for the regular line guys. Very sad. With really no end in sight unless there's a cooling off period. Which is the same scenerio the Pinnacle pilots had 4 years ago.

The company will continue to offer 'just enough' to fend off a release. They have played the game very well...unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Copperhed51 (Post 813090)

I'd hope not to get into any "trouble" for saying to fly like a professional. I'm certainly not advocating any sort of "campaign"...just do what we are paid for and do it correctly. I'm just somewhat taken aback to some suggestions floating around the pilot group that would be morally and legally wrong to sabotage our operation. That should NOT happen. Simply fly right and quit taking short cuts as captains. As a jumpseater from time to time on our planes, I've seen many times where guys deliberately cut safety corners and compliance goes by the wayside in order to get out early/on-time. Just fly right. Be good. I don't think this is any different than what our CP would tell us to do. I believe many of our pilots don't follow the FOM as we should. That's all.

I don't think the mec members are more to blame than SE. I think the buck stops with him and that's part of the job he's taken. I don't know him personally but from a union members point of view I think the way he's handled everything, esspecially the negotiations, is wrong. We pay our dues every month and what return have we gotten? We can't even get an update from our chairman. As previously mentioned there have been no updates regarding the recalls or anything that goes on with the exception of negotiations, which come from the negotiation comittee. Why haven't we done any informal picketing? There is nothing from the leadership and it's truely sad...