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weaseljet 05-13-2010 02:40 PM

Latest Pinnacle contact update
 
No Where Near Being Complete.

FlyJSH 05-13-2010 04:15 PM

Is there progress?

mooney 05-13-2010 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 811178)
Is there progress?

There is always progress. Just not sure if it is forward or backward...;)

DAL4EVER 05-13-2010 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by weaseljet (Post 811138)
No Where Near Being Complete.

After 5+ years this is news? You should have accepted the contract Buddy Casey gave 5 years ago. You'd already be negotiating off that one instead of the one that's nine years old.

On the plus side at least Spirit got released. It gives you hope yet.

Flitestar 05-13-2010 05:49 PM

There's no chance we are gonna get released anytime soon... specially after voting down last TA a few months back...

All we have to fix is 4 or 5 issues about it, right? That translates into probably 1-2 years at the pace this is going...

mooney 05-13-2010 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 811232)

All we have to fix is 4 or 5 issues about it, right? That translates into probably 1-2 years at the pace this is going...

Depends who you talk to...3 maybe 4 issues for me, some guys im sure have about 47 items on the table......including changes to the hijacking/pow/ransom section and the "he also refers to she and the singular includes the plural" section :rolleyes:

flapsfail 05-13-2010 07:12 PM

I found the update to be interesting, it said something to the effect of using tomorrow for independent work and reengaging with the company later....well in ops last week PH and the other negotiator from Atlanta said come Friday whatever is un finished will be taken to the nmb. I asked for clarification and PH said that by Friday that was it, that was there no more talking, no more extending the talks with the company, so why would we get with them while waiting for the nmb? As is published on our company board, nothing is going to happen. The company will keep stalling so they don't have to hire...this whole thing is a joke. Does our MEC chair have a response to any of this?

higney85 05-13-2010 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by flapsfail (Post 811264)
Does our MEC chair have a response to any of this?

Call SE- I'm sure he would talk to you.

There is progress FWIW, but the company is still not willing to cover the compensation and QOL issues that the MEC is pursuing on behalf of the pilot group from polling after TA1 and listening to the pilots that would put the pilot group in line with the industry. Everyone is angry, but the NMB is the last step in this marathon.

av8sean 05-13-2010 07:26 PM

The frustrating part is the union is assuming (at least according to the last emails) that the company has any intention of negotiating or actually agreeing on a contract. This is an incorrect assumption. They will not agree to anything $ubstantive unless they are forced to. We should have immediately adopted a more aggressive attitude and set of tactics ... but instead we keep plodding along.

seafeye 05-13-2010 07:39 PM

Shouldn't it wait till the new rest regulations and pilot flight time requirements come out?
I too would like a new contract but neither side has any clue of what is to come. Thanks FAA. You take stalling to a whole new level. Maybe they (FAA) should take additional training for stalls and unusual attitudes.


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