Where are you? (Pinnacle Union Chat)
07-18-2010, 07:51 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Inconceivable
It is worth remembering that MEM Captains tried to put forth Charlie K. as a possible rep last year--you want to talk about an agent for management?
Keep in mind that there are a lot more people with views like Pete T. who would love to get in office and sell you down the river. The two you voted out are practically socialists (the real definition) by comparison.
Fun story about Pete T. Back when I was there MSP ops was still in a trailer. This was right after 9/11 when we had the bogus "furlough" at NWA's direction to make a grab for federal funds. I will *never* forget Pete crowing about all the open time he was picking up with those guys gone (they were furloughed after bids were published so everything went to open time).
This was the same time Pete was running for MEC office back when it was only EXA 129. This type of pilot is your real enemy in the ranks--and the leadership needs to recognize it before the junior pilots team up with anyone out of frustration and recall the wrong people.
I am told that the LEC updates are the only communication pilots are receiving. Not good.
Keep in mind that there are a lot more people with views like Pete T. who would love to get in office and sell you down the river. The two you voted out are practically socialists (the real definition) by comparison.
Fun story about Pete T. Back when I was there MSP ops was still in a trailer. This was right after 9/11 when we had the bogus "furlough" at NWA's direction to make a grab for federal funds. I will *never* forget Pete crowing about all the open time he was picking up with those guys gone (they were furloughed after bids were published so everything went to open time).
This was the same time Pete was running for MEC office back when it was only EXA 129. This type of pilot is your real enemy in the ranks--and the leadership needs to recognize it before the junior pilots team up with anyone out of frustration and recall the wrong people.
I am told that the LEC updates are the only communication pilots are receiving. Not good.
07-18-2010, 12:34 PM
#22
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NL and I got a MEM update out a couple days ago.. We want change in leadership, but right now we have the "North vs. South" battle. I'm sure the fireworks on the MEC meeting Agenda will surface soon..
When you can't do the job- leave, when you won't leave removal is required. It's business.
When you can't do the job- leave, when you won't leave removal is required. It's business.
07-18-2010, 02:43 PM
#23
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Higney, can you elaborate on that at all? Let me say communication from the lec was better after ta1 was voted down and since then everything has gone down. Although, I do appreciate the info you and NL sent out.
With that beig said, I will ask again, where in the he11 is our mec chairman? It doesn't take much to do a weekly or bi-weekly message and address your pilot group. I'm sick if people saying, " call your reps." I have. But I think it is vital in terms of unity and leadership for the chairman to address the group. In terms of those two basic fundamental things, there are none. If he can't handle the job or pressure, then it's time for him to go back to the line and earn his 900 pay once and for all. If a recall is in order so be it, if he needs to step down so be it. I don't care what people are saying in terms of a change in leadership now because it might stall things, well ladies and gentleman nothing is getting acomplished and there is no leadership. As I have said before, no one needs to advocate a work action but a chairman can rally the troops and advocate that everyone fly the book. Nothing more and nothing less. If we want to move forward WE need to do it but we also need a leader who will take charge and do what needs to be done.
With that beig said, I will ask again, where in the he11 is our mec chairman? It doesn't take much to do a weekly or bi-weekly message and address your pilot group. I'm sick if people saying, " call your reps." I have. But I think it is vital in terms of unity and leadership for the chairman to address the group. In terms of those two basic fundamental things, there are none. If he can't handle the job or pressure, then it's time for him to go back to the line and earn his 900 pay once and for all. If a recall is in order so be it, if he needs to step down so be it. I don't care what people are saying in terms of a change in leadership now because it might stall things, well ladies and gentleman nothing is getting acomplished and there is no leadership. As I have said before, no one needs to advocate a work action but a chairman can rally the troops and advocate that everyone fly the book. Nothing more and nothing less. If we want to move forward WE need to do it but we also need a leader who will take charge and do what needs to be done.
07-18-2010, 02:57 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
I don't care what people are saying in terms of a change in leadership now because it might stall things, well ladies and gentleman nothing is getting acomplished and there is no leadership. As I have said before, no one needs to advocate a work action but a chairman can rally the troops and advocate that everyone fly the book. Nothing more and nothing less. If we want to move forward WE need to do it but we also need a leader who will take charge and do what needs to be done.
I agree and share your frustration. I just pointed out there would be some lead time towards getting a new MEC chair up to speed because I know our pilot group. We'll have some guys wondering why the company didn't just roll over and cower in a corner two days after electing a new chair. I have no doubts that there are some that would back a recall AND expect a quick 5-7 day resolution to the problem.
Unless something changes drastically very soon, I'd say that a change in leadership is almost inevitable.
07-18-2010, 04:18 PM
#25
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I'm sick if people saying, " call your reps."
That said, be careful in your zeal to remove Scott that you know what will replace him...and who will take the vacant LEC seat. As noted above, there are plenty of pro-managment stooges just waiting for an opportunity to corrupt the process.
07-18-2010, 05:01 PM
#26
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I won't elaborate on a public board but will chat via PM or email. Only requirement is to tell me who you are so I know who I am speaking with... I'm pretty good at keeping your identity G14 classified.
07-18-2010, 07:35 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
Higney, can you elaborate on that at all? Let me say communication from the lec was better after ta1 was voted down and since then everything has gone down. Although, I do appreciate the info you and NL sent out.
With that beig said, I will ask again, where in the he11 is our mec chairman? It doesn't take much to do a weekly or bi-weekly message and address your pilot group. I'm sick if people saying, " call your reps." I have. But I think it is vital in terms of unity and leadership for the chairman to address the group. In terms of those two basic fundamental things, there are none. If he can't handle the job or pressure, then it's time for him to go back to the line and earn his 900 pay once and for all. If a recall is in order so be it, if he needs to step down so be it. I don't care what people are saying in terms of a change in leadership now because it might stall things, well ladies and gentleman nothing is getting acomplished and there is no leadership. As I have said before, no one needs to advocate a work action but a chairman can rally the troops and advocate that everyone fly the book. Nothing more and nothing less. If we want to move forward WE need to do it but we also need a leader who will take charge and do what needs to be done.
With that beig said, I will ask again, where in the he11 is our mec chairman? It doesn't take much to do a weekly or bi-weekly message and address your pilot group. I'm sick if people saying, " call your reps." I have. But I think it is vital in terms of unity and leadership for the chairman to address the group. In terms of those two basic fundamental things, there are none. If he can't handle the job or pressure, then it's time for him to go back to the line and earn his 900 pay once and for all. If a recall is in order so be it, if he needs to step down so be it. I don't care what people are saying in terms of a change in leadership now because it might stall things, well ladies and gentleman nothing is getting acomplished and there is no leadership. As I have said before, no one needs to advocate a work action but a chairman can rally the troops and advocate that everyone fly the book. Nothing more and nothing less. If we want to move forward WE need to do it but we also need a leader who will take charge and do what needs to be done.
So let me ask again, what would you have him do? What would you do if you were our fearless leader? Who knows, maybe if you have good enough ideas you can be on constant buyout an see how much you like the job.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustrations about communications, but there isn't alot you MEC chair can really do. It is really up to all of us on the line to make an impact. You have the parking brake under your hand... not SE.
07-18-2010, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ebl14
So what would you do? I'm not trying to defend SE, but if you aren't bringing anything to the table you need to get out of your high chair.
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